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#51

Prop 8 Trial Update

He's asking a really broad range of questions. I think he's doing it because the defense presented nothing. Well, almost nothing. They said the people voted for Prop 8, so leave well enough alone, that kids are better off raised by a mother and a father and that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman because that's the way it's always been.
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#52

Prop 8 Trial Update

Btw, did anyone else see that report published last week that concluded children raised by a lesbians had fewer behavioral problems and did better in school?

It was on CNN.com I think.
....but the world goes 'round
#53

Prop 8 Trial Update

Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests

By Madison Park, CNN
June 7, 2010 6:55 a.m. EDT

(CNN) -- A nearly 25-year study concluded that children raised in lesbian households were psychologically well-adjusted and had fewer behavioral problems than their peers.
The study, published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, followed 78 lesbian couples who conceived through sperm donations and assessed their children's well-being through a series of questionnaires and interviews.
Funding for the research came from several lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups, such as the Gill Foundation and the Lesbian Health Fund from the Gay Lesbian Medical Association.
Dr. Nanette Gartrell, the author of the study, wrote that the "funding sources played no role in the design or conduct of the study."
"My personal investment is in doing reputable research," said Gartrell. "This is a straightforward statistical analysis. It will stand and it has withstood very rigorous peer review by the people who make the decision whether or not to publish it."
Gay parenting remains a controversial issue, with debates about topics including the children's psychological adjustment, their parents' sexual orientation and adoption restrictions.
Wendy Wright, president of the Concerned Women for America, a group that supports biblical values, questioned the legitimacy of the findings from a study funded by gay advocacy groups.
"That proves the prejudice and bias of the study," she said. "This study was clearly designed to come out with one outcome -- to attempt to sway people that children are not detrimentally affected in a homosexual household."
Gartrell started the study in 1986. She recruited subjects through announcements in bookstores, lesbian events and newspapers throughout metro Boston, Massachusetts; San Francisco, California, and Washington.
The mothers were interviewed during pregnancy or the insemination process, and additionally when the children were 2, 5, 10 and 17 years old. Those children are now 18 to 23 years old.
They were interviewed four times as they matured and also completed an online questionnaire at age 17, focusing on their psychological adjustment, peer and family relationships and academic progress.
To assess their well-being, Gartrell used the Child Behavior Checklist, a commonly used standard to measure children's behavioral and social problems, such as anxiety, depression, aggressive behavior and social competence.
The answers were coded into a computer and then analyzed. This data was compared with data from children of nonlesbian families.
The results surprised Gartrell.
"I would have anticipated the kids would be doing as well as the normative sample," she said. "I didn't expect better."
Children from lesbian families rated higher in social, academic and total competence. They also showed lower rates in social, rule-breaking, aggressive problem behavior.
The involvement of mothers may be a contributing factor, in addition to the fact that the pregnancies were planned, Gartrell said.
Tell iReport: Growing up with gay parents
The children "didn't arrive by accident," she said. "The mothers were older... they were waiting for an opportunity to have children and age brings maturity and better parenting."
This also could have occurred because "growing up in households with less power assertion and more parental involvement has been shown to be associated with healthier psychological adjustment," Gartrell wrote in the study.
Some of the teenagers reported being stigmatized by peers because of their parents' sexuality. Researchers compared the figures in terms of the psychological adjustment between children who had experienced stigma versus those who did not.
"We found no differences," Gartrell said. "That leads us to asking why and how are young people managing discrimination? That will be the topic of future papers. We'll look into what the ingredients are to allow them to cope despite adversity."
Gartrell studied only lesbian families, because circumstances surrounding gay male families are different. Gay men becoming fathers is newer in comparison with lesbians, because their options have been limited to adoption or surrogacy. Lesbians often conceive through donor insemination.
"This study shows that the 17-year-old adolescents who have been reared by lesbian families are psychologically happy and high functioning," said Gartrell, a Williams distinguished scholar at the UCLA School of Law. Restrictions of child custody and reproductive technologies based on sexual orientation are not justified, she said.
Wright questioned the objectivity of Gartrell's research, saying the author can "cherry pick people who are involved and the info they release."
"In essence, this study claims to purport that children do better when raised by lesbians," she said.
Studies have shown that children thrive having both a mother and a father, Wright said.
"You have to be a little suspicious of any study that says children being raised by same-sex couples do better or have superior outcomes to children raised with a mother and father," she said. "It just defies common sense and reality."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.adjustment/index.html

Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#54

Prop 8 Trial Update

Thanks shamey! Prop 8 Trial Update
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#55

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Shameless is the prop 8 trial oracle!
#56

Prop 8 Trial Update

No problem. I saw it on World News Tonight sometime last week also.

LOL! Yeah, for totally selfish reasons, but whatever.
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#57

Prop 8 Trial Update

Preview of the big day

June 15, 2010

By Julia Rosen

Are your refresh fingers rested and ready to go?

The closing arguments are nearly here and I for one can’t wait for the nerdy, but incredibly important fun. Let’s go over what the day has in store for us.

Follow all of the liveblogging updates from Courage Campaign Chair and Founder Rick Jacobs right here. The posts and updates will simultaneously be up on both the Prop 8 Trial Tracker and the Testimony: Equality on Trial site, because the Trial Tracker blog is the Testimony blog. Comments show up only on the site that they were posted on. Brian Leubitz will be back to help with some analysis and I will be making sure the trains run on time and may put up an occasional post.

Stay up to date by “Liking” us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter @EqualityOnTrial. If you appreciate all of the work we are doing, please make a contribution to support Testimony: Equality on Trial.

The FireDogLake crew will also be liveblogging over here. For those on Twitter the following people will be livetweeting @moyalynne, @emptywheel, @KateKendell and lwaldal. If you know of others please put them in the comments.

And just because it is good to know what your opposition is up to, the NOM, NOM, NOM people have created their own site. http://www.prop8case.com/. They have picked up the #Prop8 hashtag, so all Tweets pro or con will show up on that site.
As for the day itself. Here is how it is going to go down.
Starting at 8 am the Courage Campaign, Marriage Equality USA and others are holding a rally outside of the courtroom. Go to Facebook to RSVP if you are in San Francisco. There’s also a caravan from Sacramento, that one of our organizers has helped pull together, complete with car decorating.

At at 8:30 am the plaintiffs: Kris Perry, Sandy Stier, Paul Katami, Jeffrey Zarrillo, American Foundation for Equal Rights Board President Chad Griffin will be making brief statements outside of the courthouse.

Then the lawyers get their turn in front of Judge Walker in rapid fire.

10:00 AM – 11:30 AM Plaintiffs give their closing argument (Ted Olson and David Boies)
11:30 AM – 11:45 AM City and County of San Francisco take their turn
11:45 AM – 12:00 PM Governor, Attorney General and county defendants are up
12:00 PM – 1:00 PM Lunch/David Boies and Chad Griffin talk to the media
1:00 PM – 3:15 PM Proponents are on the hot seat (argued by Charles Cooper)
3:15 PM – 3:45 PM Plaintiffs’ get a chance to make their rebuttal
4:00 Plaintiffs are holding a press conference on the day’s events

That press conference time is an estimate. If I had to bet, it will run over, due to lawyers being lawyers and Judge Walker being an active participant in this entire process. Perhaps we should have done a pool on the number of times Judge Walker asks a question of either the plaintiff’s lawyers or the defense, but I digress.

Thanks to all of our loyal readers for sticking around throughout the hiatus and welcome to all those who are new or back for more. Help us get the word out throughout the day by sharing the posts on email, Facebook and Twitter. Like Ted Olson said, it’s crucial that we all continue to talk about this trial.

http://prop8trialtracker.com/2010/06/15/preview-of-the-big-day/

Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#58

Prop 8 Trial Update

fyi - this link has the best blogging I've seen for this.
fdl
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#61

Prop 8 Trial Update

That lady is the scum of the earth.
#62

Prop 8 Trial Update

Something huge is happening with this case, something none of us are noticing.

No opera is over till the fat lady sings, but Ted Olson and David Boies have done a flawless job for us, while the other side pretty much failed.

Something is stirring...
#63

Prop 8 Trial Update

Closing Arguments in Marriage Trial

By JESSE McKINLEY
Published: June 16, 2010

SAN FRANCISCO — Lawyers made their closing arguments in the federal trial over the legality of California’s ban on same-sex marriage on Wednesday, framing the issue as a war between the civil rights of gay men and lesbians and the traditional understanding and role of marriage.

And tradition seemed on the losing end of the argument.

Vaughn R. Walker, the chief judge of the Federal District Court in San Francisco, repeatedly questioned lawyers defending the measure — Proposition 8, passed by California voters in 2008 — over their position that marriage is, simply put, for making babies.

“The marital relationship is fundamental to the existence and survival of the race,” said the defense’s leading lawyer, Charles J. Cooper. “Without the marital relationship, your honor, society would come to an end.”

But Judge Walker, who will decide the case, dogged Mr. Cooper for hard evidence of that claim, noting that there are no rules prohibiting marriage between people who cannot have children.
Over the course of several hours, Judge Walker also sharply questioned the qualifications of one of Mr. Cooper’s witnesses and his assertion that marriage “serves a societal purpose that is equally ubiquitous.”

At one point, Judge Walker wondered at Mr. Cooper’s logic. “Do people get married to benefit the community?” he asked. “When one enters into a marriage, you don’t say, ‘Oh boy, I’m going to benefit society!’ ”

The questioning seemed to occasionally fluster Mr. Cooper, whose voice rose as he told the judge that the central procreative aspect of marriage was commonly understood in legal writings, unless it “was written by one of their experts or written over the course of the last 30 years.”

Mr. Cooper added: “The pages of history, your honor, are filled with nothing — nothing — but this understanding of marriage.”
Wednesday’s arguments came more than five months after the beginning of the trial, which arose from a lawsuit filed last year by two same-sex couples who say that Proposition 8 violates their guarantees under the Constitution to equal protection and due process.

The case was initially met with skepticism by some in the gay rights community, who feared that a loss at a federal level could set back their efforts to gain wider recognition for same-sex marriage, which is legal in five states and the District of Columbia.

On Wednesday, crowds supporting just such rights began forming in front of the courthouse hours before proceedings were scheduled to begin.

The plaintiffs hired two experienced litigators from opposite sides of the political spectrum — Theodore Olson and David Boies, who had faced off in the Supreme Court battle Bush v. Gore, which effectively decided the outcome of the 2000 presidential election.

Mr. Olson, whose new interest in promoting same-sex marriage rights surprised some accustomed to his conservative politics, began his final statement by suggesting that a grievous harm had been done to his clients.

“This case is about marriage and equality: the fundamental constitutional right to marry has been taken away from plaintiffs,” he said. “Their state has rewritten its Constitution in order to place them in a special disfavored category.” He said it had rendered same-sex relationships as “not valid, not recognized and second rate.”

Mr. Olson also used a collection of video clips from earlier testimony, showing the plaintiffs speaking in emotional terms about their relationships, and likened Proposition 8 to laws that once forbade interracial marriage. He called the right to marry fundamental, not “an indulgence to be dispensed.”
“It is a right belonging to Californians,” he said. “It is not a right belonging to the State of California.”

Judge Walker also asked why Californians were not allowed to define marriage as between a man and a woman, as Proposition 8 did.

Mr. Olson stuttered a little before responding that Californians could define their own rules, “unless they are taking away a fundamental right.”

Judge Walker also asked why the state’s domestic partnership law, which affords most of the same rights as marriage, was not “sufficient accommodation” for the rights of gay people. Mr. Olson countered that marriage was a unique institution and more significant than domestic partnerships.

“It means something completely different,” Mr. Olson said.

Arguments in the trial began in early January, and included two weeks of evidence and testimony by plaintiffs and experts on marriage, sociology and political science.

The defense offered much more limited testimony, with two witnesses arguing, among other points, that same-sex marriage damages traditional marriage as an institution and that special judicial protections are unnecessary for gay people.

Judge Walker did not offer a timetable for his issuing his decision, but it is certain that his will not be the final word. Both sides expect the case to wend its way up the federal judicial ladder, most likely to the Supreme Court.

The closing arguments took place two years to the day — June 16, 2008 — that same-sex couples began to get married in California at the start of a five-month period when such unions were legal there. Proposition 8 ended those ceremonies, though the California Supreme Court ruled in May 2009 that the some 18,000 marriages performed in that period were still valid.
One of those couples, Shelly Bailes and Ellen Pontac, were at the rally. “It’s our anniversary,” said Ms. Pontac, who has been in a relationship with Ms. Bailes for 36 years. “And spending it here is not what we expected.”

Ms. Bailes said there was Champagne chilling at home. “It makes me feel good that it’s waiting for me,” she said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/17/us/17prop.html?ref=us


Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#64

Prop 8 Trial Update

BREAKING: PROP 8 TRIAL DECISION TO BE ANNOUNCED WEDNESDAY BETWEEN 1 PM – 3 PM PST

August 3, 2010

By Eden James, Courage Campaign Institute

Exciting news! Judge Vaughn Walker has come to a decision in the Perry v. Schwarzenegger case.

This just in from the American Foundation for Equal Rights:

The federal court announced today that it will release its decision in the American Foundation for Equal Right’s landmark case, Perry v. Schwarzenegger, on Wednesday. Text “EQUAL” to 69866 to get a text message with the official decision on your mobile phone the moment the court releases its decision, or sign-up for an email alert at equalrightsfoundation.org. Join AFER on its Web site to watch a live press conference with our plaintiffs and co-counsels Ted Olson and David Boies following the release of the decision. As we receive news about the details of the release, AFER will update our Facebook and Twitter profiles, along with our Web site.

More from the court:

On August 4, 2010, the court will issue its written order containing findings of fact and conclusions of law following the court trial held in January and June of this year. The order will be e-filed in the court’s Electronic Case Filing system, and will be immediately available thereafter through ECF and PACER. Visit www.cand.uscourts.gov for details on registering for PACER. There will be no court proceeding associated with the publication of the order.

A small number of hard copies will also be made available for public review shortly after the order is e-filed in the following locations:

San Francisco Courthouse: Clerk’s Office (16th Floor) & Press Room (18th Floor)

Oakland Courthouse: Clerk’s Office

San Jose Courthouse: Clerk’s Office

http://prop8trialtracker.com/2010/08/03/breaking-prop-8-trial-verdict-to-be-announced-wednesday/
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#66

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I am so nervous. Don't want to start counting any chickens.
....but the world goes 'round
#67

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I hear you Taz, but I am remaining positive...I have the champagne chilling!
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. Ralph Waldo Emerson
#68

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I am nervous as well, but hopeful. I keep refreshing Twitter, waiting for the headline. I don't see how any judiciary professional worth his salt could find merit in the opposition's argument when it contains absolutely no merit.
"I seem to have wandered into the BRAIN load-out thread... "
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#69

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I posted on another site that I have not been so anxious since I was waiting for my bar results.

That opinion will be must reading tonight.

Last night I saw Thurgood with Laurence Fisbhurne, and then found out that the Prop 8 ruling was coming today. It seemed fitting.
#70

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This sucks. I'm going to be at rehearsal all day and probably won't know the outcome until I get home at midnight.
#71

Prop 8 Trial Update

I feel just like I did before the OJ and Michael Jackson verdicts.
#72

Prop 8 Trial Update

Regardless of the verdict - and I'm uncharacteristically optimistic about it - you know this is far from over. No matter what the ruling it will be appealed, and no matter what the appellate court says they'll most likely try to take it to the Supreme Court.
#73

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Yes, but this needs to go to the SCOTUS. Like many others, I was skeptical about its prospects, given the current SCOTUS. However, though I am still skeptical, the more I read about Justice Kennedy's track record regarding equality, the more confident I feel. Plus, we'll get to see if Elena Kagan, who should be confirmed this week, can be as persuasive as the Obama administration suggests she can be.


"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#74

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I'm out here in California and I'm feeling cautiously optimistic.

Prop 8 supporters are already seeking a stay on the Judge's ruling.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15675498?source=most_viewed

My fear is that the Judge will rule against Prop8, but Prop 8 supporters will get their stay.


Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt
#75

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"My fear is that the Judge will rule against Prop8, but Prop 8 supporters will get their stay."

That's a very likely outcome.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson

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