SUPER Controversial Thread!!! (Not for the faint of heart)- Page 13

Posted: 9/29/04 at 12:37am

Iris - please pardon my ignorance, but the best I could translate your post is 'I don't like these people to argue more.'

I'm sure I've got it wrong (perhaps completely) - could you please tell me what you were trying to say?

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 12:55am

(God, I hope we can still be friends after all this)

Rentaholic, so let me see if I understand you. You say God created sin? NO HE DIDN'T. Sin is the seperation from God and Jesus died for our sins. Ok, if you believe that then how can you say God created sin? Why would Jesus die to fight something God created? It makes no sense. Also, in my last post I was not talking about you. I never mentioned your name once in that whole statement. I don't know you so how can I say what you do and don't believe. I was saying "some christians." This is some trivia that Christians tend to forget, Jesus hung around with sinners every day. He said why do we need to hang around believers when they are not the ones we need to be saving (not in those exact words, but I am paraphrasing). A lot of Christians forget that and damn everyone who is different from them. That is the main thing that makes me UBER MAD. If I wasn't a Christian already I honestly do not know if I would have become one because of the ignorance and hyporcites that is in the church (and I am not talking about you Rentaholic, but the church in general)

Updated On: 9/29/04 at 12:55 AM

[musicalmjk]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 1:04am

I think that one of the best things about the bible, Jesus hangs around with the tax collectors, fisherman, prostitutes, etc. I think if Jesus were living here and now he'd be hanging out with the homosexuals the "outcasts" of our society.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 1:05am

as do I, musical.

[bythesword84]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 1:12am

Isn't that the whole point? Jesus was all about bringing the outcasts in.

Spider, I agree with you about sin. Sin, as far as I've ever been taught as been defined as "separation from God" just as, I was never taught that hell was a firy pit of doom or something. Since God is love, hell is absense of love.

[amasis]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 1:14am

"If I wasn't a Christian already I honestly do not know if I would have become one because of the ignorance and hyporcites that is in the church"

Ah, don't worry, spider. ALL religions have their share of ignorants and hypocrites.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 1:17am

Very true amasis, but it just erks me to end. And everytime I state my opinion about something I get talked to like I am not a christian now (which I have been told before that I wasn't a christian because I had questions). I think we need to start our CHURCH OF WARLOW. How 'bout it? LOL

bythesword, Hell is defined in the bible as eternal seperation from God and God is love......so I agree with you 100% on that one. I don't know about the fiery pitt though. It says in the bible about that I just don't know where. All I know is that is one place I do not want to go.

[bythesword84]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 1:41am

I think it would be pretty cool if hell was like Dante said where you get to the devil and it's pure coldness and emptiness.

[amasis]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 3:26am

"Very true amasis, but it just erks me to end. And everytime I state my opinion about something I get talked to like I am not a christian now (which I have been told before that I wasn't a christian because I had questions). I think we need to start our CHURCH OF WARLOW. How 'bout it? LOL"

Well, after exploring the possibilities, I've decided I can't be a part of any church/organized group... But if I can pay respect to Anthony Warlow in an "unorganized" fashion, then I'm game .

[musicalmjk]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 5:06pm

Im may regret asking this later but who is Anthony Warlow?

[amasis]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 7:12pm

Oh!

Anthony Warlow is an opera and musical theatre star based in Australia. He made his debut with the Australian Opera when he was 19 as Puck -- and did a few seasons with them before moving to do musical theatre (his first was Guys and Dolls). For musical theatre, he's done the following roles in Australia: Enjolras in Les Miserables, Phantom in Phantom of the Opera (youngest in the world, I think), Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady, Archibald Cravens in the Secret Garden. He had to take time off when he was battling Lymphoma, but then made a comeback and has continued appearing in the Australian Opera, as well as performing musical theatre and his own solo concerts.

His voice can be heard on:
* Les Miserables Complete Symphonic Recording
* Secret Garden - Australian Cast Recording
* Jekyll & Hyde - Concept Album
* Patience - Australian Opera
* Grease - The Arena Spectacular
* Main Event

And of course there's the solo albums: Midnight Dreaming, Back in the Swing, On the Boards, Face the Music, Centre Stage. They tried to get him to come to Broadway to do Jekyll & Hyde; an offer which unfortunately he turned down. ("Unfortunate" not because J&H was *so* good, but because it would have been a chance for the Broadway audience to get exposed to his talents. He is incredible).

There. Spider can probably fill you in on anything I missed Updated On: 9/30/04 at 07:12 PM

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 7:53pm

Anthony Warlow is a VOCAL GOD. Anywho, Warlow also was supposed to be pilate in the 1992 Austrialian cast of Jesus Christ Superstar, but because of his cancer he was unable to do it. He beat the cancer (THANK GOD) and now he is back to singing and in my opinion he sounds better than he did before the cancer. That man needs to get to the US just for a week and come near me so I can see him and bask in his Warlowness.

[musicalmjk]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 8:22pm

wow he sound like such an awesome guy. I'm going to have to pick up one of those CD's he's on. Jekyll & Hyde - Concept Album maybe.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 8:24pm

Concept Album is SOOOO much better than the broadway recording. If you want to know what he sounds like go either to towerrecords.com or his official website http://www.anthonywarlow.com.au/. At the latter website you can hear full clips of him singing. Be prepared though. It will be a life changing event.

[musicalmjk]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 8:40pm

OH MY GOD!!! thats an amazing voice. im so getting the concept album for Jekyll & Hyde. Thanks, Spider and Amasis

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 8:43pm

No problem. Always happy to convert another to the CHURCH OF WARLOW Also, make sure you buy his solo albums. They are a lot cheaper on Ebay then at other places.

[amasis]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 9:04pm

You're welcome .

Spider's right - at some point you'll want the solo albums. My personal favorite is Centre Stage: he took on "Johanna", "I am what I am", "Soliloquy" among others, and did a 'stunningly' beautiful job . Updated On: 9/30/04 at 09:04 PM

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 9:12pm

I like Centre Stage the best too, although his Big Band cds are Muy excellent too (that's for you priest )

[bythesword84]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 9:33pm

Well I didn't know this was going to be controversial but I guess it is:

I can't stand Anthony Warlow's voice on the Les Mis CSR.

[NYBroadwayNY]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 9:39pm

DGRANT:

Thanks so much for your reply. As always, I enjoyed your honesty and openness. It is BWW'ers like you and Margo and others that I keep reading to see how you put the rest of us in line with oftentimes great words of wisdom. Thank you.

On another subject, I think you are confusing my posts with someone else's. I said nothing about "as if you were there" to you and I did not state any of my beliefs on the subject at hand. I just commented on how I think we should treat each other with respect, even in this controversial thread.

Anyway, I look forward to reading your future insights!
NYBNY

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 9:45pm

bythesword, I almost fell out of my chair when you said that. Do you think he is a vocal god though (outside that recording?)

[bythesword84]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 10:50pm

Well I've never seen him perform, but I've heard most of the clips on his site because I'm used to hearing everyone say he was fantastic. Do I think he's good? Sure. I wouldn't call him a vocal god though.

[amasis]

Posted: 9/29/04 at 11:08pm

Well, we are in open-minded "church" so we won't persecute you for saying such blasphemy. Of course, I'm actually speaking more for myself. Spider might go after you. Updated On: 9/29/04 at 11:08 PM

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 9/30/04 at 7:45pm

I would never go after bythesword. We be cool and she did say she thought he was good so no human sacrifice tonight.

Posted: 9/30/04 at 7:54pm

NYBroadwayNY - thank you for accepting the apology - and for your 'tolerance' reminder in general I'm sorry about the reference to the phrase - after going back to research, it was Reantaholic who used that statement, and I'm sorry to have implied that it came from you.