Sean Hayes betrays gays AGAIN- Page 2

[Jane2]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 12:09am

LOL, I should have k nown

[jimmirae]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 1:23am

Jim J & Tammy Faye was a GREAT Show! I miss it! (You know who wrote the theme song? I do!)
Misha & Liza - that brings back memories of long hard nights at 54 - and something about banana practice...nevermind.

[eslgr8]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 2:46am

Sean Hayes' refusal to acknowledge his sexual orientation while earning millions portraying an out and proud gay man on Will and Grace makes him the most contemptable closet case in Hollywood.

[jacobtsf]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 2:51am

eslgr8- I know of no case where he has EVER denied being gay, he just doesn't talk about it, and he doesn't need to. He, through Jack, has given many in my generation a gay role model. And, I know of more than one case when he says it shouldn't matter if one is gay or not.

Once again, it might be because I am straight, but I don't get why anyone who is gay should be forced to come out to the world. It is their decision and they will do it in their own time, if they do it at all. Look at Geore Takei (sp?) as a recent example.

[DG]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 2:53am

eslgr8 - Screaming about individual freedom while judging someone negatively on their individual choices makes you nothing but a hypocrite - and your perspective is therefore tainted and not worth noting.

If you want a big out-and-proud actor to rally politically, go do it yourself. Don't expect anyone else to carry your flag.
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[DG]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 2:59am

"Once again, it might be because I am straight, but I don't get why anyone who is gay should be forced to come out to the world."

Jacob - I don't think it's because you're straight. I think it's because you have a sense of allowing others the experience of their own lives without judgement or coersion.

And, thank you for the acceptance, by the way.
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[etoile]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 3:00am

With an attitude like that, young man, someone is going to get himself blocked...if the blocking feature worked.

[jacobtsf]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 3:00am

DG- Not a problem. It has only ever felt natural.

[Sing a Song With Me]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 5:34am

I think you're all hipporcrits, like that two-timing Sean Hayes.
When Will and Grace is over AND his lucrative film/music/clothing-and-cologne-line all hit the big time, you're going to be upset he isn't taking a stand for the fags.
And by fags I mean cigarettes, of course. He's a closet smoker, like I am. And it hurts the fag community when he can't come clean on national television and flaunt it in front of everyone.

[Dollypop]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 5:52am

I've said it before and I'll say it again: There are too many homosexuals on this board!

[Sing a Song With Me]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 7:34am

I think the more accurate statement would be, "there are too many bitter homosexuals on this board."

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 7:40am

I guess that means that we've made you feel welcome SASWM.

[Sing a Song With Me]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 8:06am

Does that mean you're one of the bitter ones?
And I'd say I'm more bittersweet than bitter anyway.

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 8:11am

I've been called bitter once. I prefer grumpy, but hopeful.
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[NYadgal]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 8:15am

I will ask the same question that I asked on the Clay Aiken thread...

WHY do people (gay or straight) think it is acceptable to 'out' someone?

Why are celebrities not given the same tolerance for being able to come out on their own terms and their own timing that you would want for yourself or your loved ones?

Such intolerance is offensive to me.

[Sing a Song With Me]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 8:19am

Because they OWE it to us, Nyadgal. They are getting there on the backs of all gays in this country and must, must, MUST come out. Now!

Ok. I don't believe that. I'm a huge champion of people coming to terms with their sexuality on their own time and dealing with it in their own way.
In a perfect world, I think everyone actually deserves the chance to come out and to live their life as openly as possible in whatever career they've chosen.
However, we know the environment Hollywood breeds. To expect someone to fling themselves out of the closet for "our honor" or rights is, well, dispicible(sic).

[lildogs]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:11am

The difference Addy, I think, is that celebs enjoy and even to a large degree pursue and exploit their fame for favors, access, attention, special treatment, whatever you want to call it...but then they balk at letting certain parts of their lives become public. It's as if they want all the perks and none of the drawbacks. But who wouldn't? I'd like to make $50/hour as a temp AND be able to work when I please with no responsibilities, but it doesn't work that way. People have been obsessed with the sexuality of famous people for a long time, from Oscar Wilde to Louise Brooks to Tab Hunter to Sean Hayes, so this isn't some revelation to those in the spotlight.

I'm a little torn about outing people myself, but it seems to me that asking the media and the public to show restraint and dignity is asking the wrong things of the wrong people.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:23am

This is a double-edged sword. I don't want to be represented by someone who isn't comfortable being gay and proud of it. If everyone was Chad Allen, then I'd feel better, but they aren't.

But at the same time, it is important for the culture of Hollywood to change (because the culture of America has no hope of changing if even Hollywood can't accept gay people), and that won't happen until the gay and powerful come out.

[NYadgal]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:27am

You want to be 'represented' by characters in Hollywood?

[Craig]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:28am

"celebs enjoy and even to a large degree pursue and exploit their fame for favors, access, attention, special treatment, whatever you want to call it..."

I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that. Sure there are those that bask in their fame. For others, it just happens to be their job which they enjoy (the work that is) and the stuff that comes with it is forced upon them because of the nature of the job they have. But you're not going to see someone "of note" be rude or disrespectful when being "lavished" upon. That's "suicide"

I know there are plenty of celebrities who, behind closed doors - or even try their best out in public - who don't relish in the attention (good or bad).

I agree with Addy (and others) - I think that a person (famous or not) has their right to privacy. And it is disrepectful. But that disrespect isn't just for outing people. I have heard amazing stories from my friends (male and female, straight and gay) about completely innappropriate dating behavior. It truly is amazing what people think is acceptable to discuss or ask someone they don't know.

[midtowngym]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:40am

Maybe Sean should wear this T-Shirt:

'I'm not gay, but my bank account is'

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[lildogs]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:40am

Well, Craig, I see what you're saying, but do you really think Sean and Hillary and pay for their clothes to wear to the SAGs/Oscars/Emmys? Do they refuse their lavish gift bags? Do they wait at the bar for a table? Sure, plenty of famous people ride the subway...there's exceptions to everything. I'm sure William H. Macy doesn't use his fame to get ahead, but he's in the category of which you speak, the vast minority I'd wager.

And I know many people of note who throw fits, make crazy demands---hell, I know people of NO note who do that.

[Princeton78]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:44am

I agree... (with Craig and Addy et al)
Those of us who are gay, come out when we're ready..sometimes holding off until long after it's painfully obvious. Though those around me knew, I wasn't ready to tell them until about 4 years ago.
For whatever reason, Mr. Hayes has chosen not to come out publicly and I think we have to honor that decision. In a way, i've always felt like he's winked at the public as if to say, "Yeah, I know you know, but I ain't gonna tell ya 'til i'm good and ready." Like it or not, it's his decision and shame on those who try to out celebrities such as he or Clay Aiken. What business is it of ours? I saw a movie a few years back called "Man of the Year" in which a pro-gay group tried to out Pl aygirl's man of the year on national TV. It seemed dispicable to me. It's his choice to come out or not....you don't HAVE to be out if you choose not to. We can judge or say "well, I wouldn't do that," but ultimately, people make their own decisions and we have to let them.

*gets off soapbox*

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[Craig]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:51am

Also in the realm of irony is people in hollywood wanting to out people in an industry where one's sexuality comes into play when casting is involved. I think (and I'm just guessing based on what's I've heard) that more people would be more comfortable being out if they knew it wouldn't affect their careers and livelihood. Sadly - that's not the case in some circumstances.

[best12bars]

Posted: 2/1/06 at 9:56am

There's something about this headline: "Hayes Betrays Gays" that reminds me of a 1940s newspaper montage in a noir film. I can't stop picturing it spinning towards the camera, while trumpets blare and cymbals crash.

...guess I don't have to out myself after that.

Updated On: 2/1/06 at 09:56 AM