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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

SAN DIEGO – Target Corp. is suing a pro-gay marriage group to get it to stop canvassing outside its San Diego County stores.

Target's case against Canvas For A Cause begins Friday. It's aimed at getting the group to quit soliciting signatures in support of gay marriage.

Minnesota-based Target insists it remains committed to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community and its lawsuit has nothing to do with the political agenda of the organization.

It alleges the group's activists harass customers and hurt business. The group says Target wants to silence it.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110325/ap_on_re_us/us_target_lawsuit_1

http://www.silive.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/target-sues-san-diego-gay-rights-group/0626d691a28f45e39af06e4015d7aa83
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I'm gonna have to go with Target on this one... I live in San Diego and the Target I go to those guys are practically there all the time! it's starting to annoy me... I go to Target to shop, not to be harassed to get a signature (and that also goes for the Save the Planet people too and registering to vote)...
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group


And I'm more concerned with issues of free speech than shopping at Target.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

i'm all for free speech... but i am still on Target with this one... these guys are just annoying and someone shouldn't have to feel harassed when coming out of a store... these guys literally wait directly in front of the exits and just stare you down.. it's uncomfortable.. and like they say.. it's not just Gay Rights Groups.. it's EVERYONE!!
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I think everyone makes good points about where people should be able to assemble and whatnot, but I just feel like since Target has really spent the past couple of years saying "Yeah we like the gays" all the while having to account for some uncomfortable donations that perhaps suing a gay rights group might not be the best thing in the world for them.
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

Don't you have to obtain permission from an establishment before attempting to obtain money/signatures on their property? I know the kids who wait outside grocery stores with their little tin cans need permission.
"All our dreams can come true -- if we have the courage to pursue them." -- Walt Disney We must have different Gods. My God said "do to others what you would have them do to you". Your God seems to have said "My Way or the Highway".
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I wonder if the group are actually harassing customers or if some customers simply find it harassment to have to even think about gay marriage. Maybe a bit of both?

I don't mind being asked for a signature, but I really hate nowadays when someone is collecting, but they won't take any money. Instead, they want you to sign up to make a monthly donation automatically? Does that happen in places other than Chicago? Twice I was willing to give money, once to Greenpeace and once to the Humane Society, and they were unequipped to accept cash.
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I would assume you have to get permission but I would bet they are told not to harass people. eatlasagna, I believe what you are saying and I bet it is annoying.

Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder

Updated On: 3/26/11 at 12:13 AM

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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I wonder if the group are actually harassing customers or if some customers simply find it harassment to have to even think about gay marriage. Maybe a bit of both?

If they're exhibiting the behavior that eatlasagna described then I could see how it could be defined as "harassment". If I came out of a store and someone was waiting directly in front of the door staring me down I'd feel a bit put off myself no matter their cause.
"All our dreams can come true -- if we have the courage to pursue them." -- Walt Disney We must have different Gods. My God said "do to others what you would have them do to you". Your God seems to have said "My Way or the Highway".
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I guess I'm just someone not bothered by Save the Planet people, register to vote people or those seeking equality for gay Americans.

Shopping at Target is such a tiresome (if necessary) experience in and of itself that it is often redeemed when someone asks me to be more civic and globally conscience on my way to the car.

I sign or don't sign ballot initiatives or petitions. Often times I get a sense of what I might be asked to vote on in an upcoming election.

If someone gives me the fish-eye because I say "no, thank you" or simply walk on by...well, so be it. I can't ever think of a time when it aroused any hostile feelings that I carried into the store, home, or a message board.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

Updated On: 3/26/11 at 02:17 AM

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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I've encountered folks looking for signatures who are more harassing than the comedy show folks in Times Square. And all I needed was to pick up an extra can of corn for dinner tonight.
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." -Stephen Colbert
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

Direct from Target.com:
Target has a long-standing solicitation policy at our stores nationwide. To provide a distraction-free shopping environment for our guests, we do not allow solicitation or petitioning at our stores regardless of the cause being represented.

Seems pretty clear to me that this isn't them targeting this group in particular (or as noted earlier the Salvation Army).
http://www.youtube.com/huskcharmer
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

AT their stores is not the same as IN their stores......I do not think by CA law they can do anything about those outside their doors, as at supermarkets all over CA different groups are seeking signatures for different things, and they continue to do so.


I would never, EVER be offended by any group seeking my signature for equal rights....nor would I ever call anyone "annoying" for doing so.

Until all have the same rights, whatever it takes is ok by me.
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

Well, if they're on Target property, Target has the right to say "You can't be here," regardless of whether they're inside or outside the doors.

I was always under the impression one had to get permission to set up shop outside of a store. That's what groups I've been involved with in the past have done.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

not sure about that.....if so why would stores feel the need to put a placard outside saying they had nothing to do with the groups seeking money or signatures
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

Kad is correct. You are supposed to ask any place of business if you can set up tables or anything. Girl Scouts, Salvation Army, or anyone.

Now, I don't know about California's laws (I don't and never plan to live there), but at least here in TX, the property consists of the parking lot and store front (hence why an employee can be fired for drinking in the parking lot).
http://www.youtube.com/huskcharmer
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I don't know about California's laws (I don't and never plan to live there)

As a proud Californian, I say "Thank you."

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

As a proud Californian, I say "Thank you."

Ya know, that was pretty uncalled for. I've never said anything against you (or even your state, I just have no real interest in living on the West Coast) or even anything that was terribly inflammatory in this thread or any other that would warrant a comment like that.
http://www.youtube.com/huskcharmer
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I'm not trying to start a war with with you. But I read your remarks (others may not) as a dig at my state from a jingoistic "I never plan to live there" Texan whose state "at least" knows how to handle such a matters.

I could have read your intent incorrectly, admittedly. But that is how I read it.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

Updated On: 3/27/11 at 11:29 PM

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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

Oh trust me, anyone who knows me knows I want out of Texas badly. To borrow from the show Community, to me the West Coast is a lot like religion. I see it's appeal, and I would never take it from anyone, but it isn't for me. So, I apologize if you took it as an attack on your state, because it certainly wasn't meant as one.
http://www.youtube.com/huskcharmer
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group


You may be the first real class act I've meet on this board.

We're good.


Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

Updated On: 3/28/11 at 11:54 PM

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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I also live in San Diego. Interesting, I was just having this same conversation with a friend a couple of days ago about how they seem to "target" you as you walk out the Target doors. Sometimes it's a little creepy as they fight for your eye contact. Other times it's just annoying as I just want to go home.
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Target Sues San Diego Gay Rights Group

I just realized that I have never been stopped by anyone while entering or leaving a Target in Colorado or PA. There have never been people outside of the doors.
Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder

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