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#376

The George Zimmerman Trial

Since when has marijuana been a bad drug? I don't partake, but a lot of my friends have medical marijuana cards. They don't kill people.

It seems to me that someone who is high on weed is just too lazy to do anything, much less attack someone. My biggest pot smoking friend can barely hold is beer when he's high, much less aim a pistol.

Point is, and I just found this out today, Ms Jeantel is a highly educated woman who happens to speak differently than we do. She's fluent in 3 languages.

How fluent are you in English, Mikey?
#377

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That angry black man is Larry Elder, one of the archetypes of the nation's black conservative intelligentsia that looks down upon Rachel Jeantel (and me many years ago) as the dregs of the race.

Solely out of concern did I suggest that she wasn't ready for this level of public scrutiny. Even at 19 there's a tendency for many in the African American community to refer to her as "that poor chile" as a term of endearment. And I got a bone to pick with Dr. Marc Lamont Hill for asking her during the HuffPost Live interview if she knew who Rush Limbaugh was only to later remark along the lines of "he's not somebody you need to even worry about".

The GOP cretins will get as much mileage out of her as possible all the way up to the next general election.

ETA: I know, I know...I have to let it go.


Rachel Jeantel: When Rush Limbaugh Says 'N--ga' It's Racist Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/07/17/rachel-jeantel-its-racist-when-rush-limbaugh-says-nga#ixzz2ZPnr431v
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.

Updated On: 7/18/13 at 12:33 PM

#378

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Ugh. Who cares. This is exactly what the Zimmerman supporters want... To distract from the miscarriage of justice. We need to fight for change and we need to repeal the STAND YOUR GROUND law.
#379

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Everyday the country suffers from the catastrophic effects of the 2010 elections in which the conservatives took over state houses and governor's office! We cannot be silent in 2014!
#380

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"Why do you have to be with someone? Why can't you just let things be?"

By "with her" I was referring to being supportive of her against those who criticize or belittle her speech or demeanor. That's all. I did not see or read about her interview so I'm not commenting about the content.
#381

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"...Also, the fact that Trayvon was a drug-user and they were good friends. People usually hang around people who share their interests and activities."

Mikey, do you "think" Lea Michelle uses heroin?
Art has a double face, of expression and illusion.
#382

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OMG...Rish Limbaugh has played the gay card. That's right, the ring wing hardliners have used up Zimmerman; now they're tossing him under the bus for political gain. Rush subtly suggests that Trayvon Martin was afraid that George Zimmerman might be a male sexual predator with him or his kid brother at home as prey. And he's parsing Rachel Jeantel's words from her interview with Piers Morgan.
Nobody Will Go Near Rachel Jeantel's Revelation That Trayvon Martin Inflicted a "Whoop Ass" on George Zimmerman Because He Thought Zimmerman was Gay
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#383

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Florida had first Stand Your Ground law, other states followed in 'rapid succession'
SOURCE
#384

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If Aaron MacGruder gets a chance, I'm very sure he would satirize the whole Rachel Jeantel saga in "The Boondocks"
#385

The George Zimmerman Trial

I don't post that much when it comes to this stuff because I do find that everything is way too one sided with this board sometimes and the people on the other side are too far out there as well.

Martin attacked Zimmerman first and no matter who is following you, you don't have the right to attack someone first for this reason. Zimmerman also put himself into a situation where he got himself in way over his head and he ended up feeling like his life was in danger and had to use deadly force to protect himself.

This whole thing could have been avoided if both parties would have behaved and acted in a better manner. But in the end neither of them did and this is the result but I find them both to be at fault for what happened.

When it comes to the verdict, there was simply not enough evidence that Zimmerman was guilty. Martin didn't have any other injuries to his body which shows that he was the one that started the physical confrontation which made this very obvious that this was going to go to a not guilty result because of self defense.

Sure you can argue race and injustice back and forth forever but in the end both of them were idiots and because of that this is what happened.
#387

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Finally the real villains in this story emerge: wait staff.

If that's not the stupidest, most wrong-headed thing I've ever heard of, it's near the top of the list.
#388

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I agree that the tipping thing is wildly stupid, but the hideously racist comments to the article are downright frightening.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#389

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"Martin attacked Zimmerman first and no matter who is following you, you don't have the right to attack someone first for this reason."

Can you list me what evidence you have that Martin physically attacked Zimmerman first and initiated the fight aside from Zimmerman's testimony which, I argue, could be easily impeached if ever subjected to cross-examination?
#390

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Broadway Joe...so George Zimmerman, an armed adult, gets a pass for getting himself over his over his head and into a dangerous situation but Trayvon Martin, an unarmed minor, pays with his life for responding to being put in that situation? A situation that George Zimmerman created?
#391

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If Martin attacked Zimmerman first like the evidence shows then there is no crime here. Even though Zimmerman was following him, it still gave Martin no right to start a psychical confrontation with him because of that. At the age of 17, while still being a minor he should have known better then to do that.

All the evidence points to self defense. I do believe Zimmerman made some very stupid decisions but there isn't anything illegal about that. You can't just sentence Zimmerman to jail because he doesn't deserve a free pass.
#392

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"If Martin attacked Zimmerman first like the evidence shows then there is no crime here."

Unlike certain people on here, I will freely admit when I am wrong or have overreacted. I'm a flawed person and comfortable announcing that. So if you can legitimately answer my question, I'll leave it be.

I again ask you to tell me what evidence, aside from Mr. Zimmerman's testimony which is not completely credible, shows that Martin threw the first punch. I do not mean who started the confrontation.. I do not doubt that was probably Martin. But I am referring specifically to the fight. The physical fight.

A broken nose, which can happen during a struggle, is NOT indicative of the first punch being thrown by Martin. For the record. So I do hope you'll enlighten me as to how all of this evidence can point toward the victim in this tragedy also being responsible for starting the physical altercation (not the verbal one).

Updated On: 7/18/13 at 06:43 PM

#393

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I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong as well but the problem is we don't know who threw the first punch but all of the physical evidence that they have, Martins autopsy report showing that there weren't any other injuries other then a small cut on one of his fingers and the pictures from Zimmerman and the back of his head matches up with his story of self defense.

Now whether or not Zimmerman is telling the truth or not can be debated forever. We won't ever have Martins side of it but that doesn't mean that Martin wasn't in the wrong.

The problem is you can't sentence Zimmerman because his story is the only one.

#394

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"The problem is you can't sentence Zimmerman because his story is the only one."

That is why character testimony and circumstantial evidence exists. To tell the FULL story. Unfortunately, the state didn't have enough for this case. I echo the one-word response from the prosecutor when asked to describe George Zimmerman after the verdict: "lucky."

As I said many days ago in this thread, though... I am a firm believer in Karma. What goes around comes around and he will get his one day.
#395

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Martin's lack of other injuries could just as easily indicate that Martin was simply a better fighter, not necessarily that he was the aggressor.
#396

The George Zimmerman Trial

There is no evidence that Trayvon Martin started the fight other than what George Zimmerman says. And his story was certainly not consistent. Why do you automatically believe what Zimmerman says,in spite of prior charges of assault and domestic abuse, but automatically assume Trayvon Martin started the physical confrontation.
#397

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Yeah. I wish the state had brought in Zimmerman's questionable past. But that would have opened up the door for defense to bring in Martin's background and it doesn't mean they would have convicted him. Still, you have to wonder...
#398

The George Zimmerman Trial

Evidence that Trayvon Martin started the physical altercation with George Zimmerman:

1. George Zimmerman's testimony that Martin punched him in the nose.

2. George Zimmerman's broken nose.

3. Other than the gunshot wound, there were no other wounds on Martin aside from abrasions on his hand. No wound that indicate Martin was punched.

4. Rachel Jeantel has stated that she believed Trayvon Martin threw the first punch. She was on the phone with Martin at the time of the incident.

Maybe not enough to PROVE who threw the first punch, but enough to put reasonable doubt into the mind of any juror.
#399

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The George Zimmerman Trial
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
#400

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1. Naturally he would say that.
2. See my above post.
3. Ditto.
4. But doesn't your "ilk" disbelieve everything she says that doesn't fit your scenario?

Your conclusion is obviously correct. But it by no means proves what happened that night. Your confusion of facts and opinions doesn't change that. And my doubt about the validity of the defense's story doesn't change the outcome of the trial.

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