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#1601

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

Did I ever say I thought it was you? I did not. However, your knee-jerk defensiveness speaks for itself. If offended by a generic statement, well, then, you probably have reason to be offended.

I take huge issue with this idea that you're a bad person if you don't think that every choice someone makes is a good one, just because you like the person or his work or whatever. And with the idea that you think you have the right to judge the ways in which we support him. How can you dare accuse someone who has been to nearly everthing the man has done for several years of her life of not being supportive? How can you insinuate that long time fans who are CLEARLY, logically, incredibly supportive of his work and stand behind him don't love him as much -- or more than -- the next person? You sling mud at me -- hell, us -- and I will sling it back.

I tell this story a lot, but it fits. I once said something about how I didn't think an actor I'm close with could play a certain role that had been originated by another performer, and it got back to him. He called me out on it, and I had to stand behind my claim. And I was very honest about what I said and why I said it. The fact that I was critical -- and UP FRONT with him about my criticism, to him personally -- hardly means that I don't support him. I said that BECAUSE I love him and his work. Because I believe in him, and because I knew he could take it. That may sound counterintuitive, but it's not. I had to say that I thought he COULD play the role, but that he was not right FOR it. And that, just as he wasn't right for certain parts Other Performer X had played, Other Performer X was also completely wrong for parts HE had played. And somehow everyone involved understood that I did not say that out of mean-spirit.
A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 11/8/07 at 01:04 PM

#1602

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

lst, I wouldn't want someone to feel uncomfortable posting here, but on the other hand, why just jump in and claim that everyone here is ridiculing Adam? Either way, I like hearing people's different ideas, even if they don't coincide with mine, but there's no reason for that poster to come in here and assume. And trash? I don't see how we trash Adam. I've been trying to get people to listen to Adam's music for years. Just because I don't agree with the potential title of this project doesn't mean that I wouldn't support this album as well. That'd be shallow....and we keep talking about "real fans." If you personally don't feel comfortable posting because you don't agree with some of the things people here say, that's your choice, but I think sometimes we all need to see another perspective if it's coming from the right place. No one has said there's anything wrong with that.

I can say confidently that Adam was rehearsing something during the end of his run in Rent. Whether it was the album, tour or another project, I have no idea.

#1603

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

Emcee already put what I think most of us would say beautifully, but I just wanted to add that while we may poke fun at Adam, it doesn't mean that we don't want more people to support him. The overwhelming majority of people who have ever read this thread are already big fans of Adam, and they won't be swayed by a comment about his shows being boring. I for one recommend Adam's music to anyone who will listen. I might post in here about something that he's said being stupid, but I say that because we're all fans. I wouldn't say that to someone who hasn't already given him a chance.
"Nothing's lost forever. In this world, there is a kind of painful progress. Longing for what we've left behind, and dreaming ahead."
#1604

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

i'm not trying to add to the drama here. when someone insinuates that i'm hiding behind another name whether intentional or not, i'm going to defend myself. if you can all express your opinions on things so can i.

*changing subject*

i do have a question tho, does anyone know if you can find the lyrics to the Mute cd online? I got a copy from a friend so I don't have the liner notes and want the lyrics. does a-p.com have them?
"Sometimes on the strip, the dreams you come in with, ain't the dreams you leave with" ~Rock of Ages
"I'm a butterfly, trivial and small, and in the greater scheme of things, I don't mean much at all." ~The Story of My Life
"Forget Regret, or life is yours to miss." ~Rent
#1605

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

I think it's pretty clear that most of us don't seek out that type of attention from Adam, since we're not constantly going to his myspace and posting things that we know he'll read.

"WHATEVER YOU DO ADAM, DON'T GO READ THE COMMENTS ON THE ADAM PASCAL LOVE THREAD, LOL!"

*posts on his MySpace 20 times a day until someone calls me on my blatant agenda*


when someone insinuates that i'm hiding behind another name whether intentional or not, i'm going to defend myself.

No one insinuated YOU were hiding behind another name. However, as Emcee said, the fact that you jumped to that hyper-defensive conclusion on your own suggests you had something to do with it. When someone acts like we're that stupid, we're going to defend ourselves. re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

And why is it that you always want to change the subject after you're caught in your hypocrisy and lies? Do you honestly think that no one is going to remember?
Like a firework unexploded
Wanting life but never knowing how
#1606

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

I'm sure he's read the thread, I mean it comes up with a Google search.

Insert lame, routine, yet pretty distraction:
re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

the "I wanna sex you up" shirt re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

The morning star always gets wonderful bright the minute before it has to go --doesn't it?

Updated On: 11/8/07 at 03:19 PM

#1607

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

i'm not trying to add to the drama here. when someone insinuates that i'm hiding behind another name whether intentional or not, i'm going to defend myself. if you can all express your opinions on things so can i.

Right! If you felt the need to defend yourself against a very generalized claim, than you must have something to hide. Very basic principle. It's like the debates that came with the release of Civilian, re: Book of Endings. If you were offended by it, then you must have had something to be self conscious of. Same idea.

I'm really put-off by the absurdity of the idea that any kind of criticism is considered unsupportive. The bottom line, for me, is that -- and I know this goes for a lot of others, too -- my criticism of Adam's work comes from a place that is nothing but supportive. This is a person for whom I have an incredible amount of personal and professional affection. His work has been a part of my life for almost half of it -- and the fact that it has that kind of staying power should speak for itself. I am critical BECAUSE I believe in him, and because I believe in what I think he's capable of. Is the only way to show support to be accepting of mediocrity? I take a lot of offense at the idea that doing anything beyond that is equivalent to "trashing" him. Do you have any perception of the meaning of that term? I have a hard time believing the post accusing us of "trashing" him was meant to say that we REALLY give off the impression of not liking him, but rather to (very poorly) attempt to make a point.

(He's such a cute drunk.)
A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 11/8/07 at 03:33 PM

#1608

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

Exactly Emcee. If you truly care about someone you should be there for support as well as having constructive criticism. Having full out blind admiration for someone is really unhealthy in my opinion.

I also love how he's trying to hide his beer in that picture re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2
Your aspirations are your possibilities-Samuel Johnson (and a little help from nomdeplume)
#1609

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

I also agree with Emcee. We're not criticizing Adam to be mean, we're doing it to express our honest opinions on his work, and possibly on how some aspects could be better (Do you not agree that his new album can have a better title than Me and Larry?). We're support him, and supporting anyone consists of praising them when they've done well, and offering criticism to help them do better.
"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley
#1610

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

this album is probably a make it or break it for him unfortunately, so what his fans should be doing is thinking of creative ways to spread the word regarding his music not moaning and groaning about him.

I'm sorry, I'm not on any street team. The only way I can support him is by legitimately purchasing his albums (which I did and will) when I know I can get them for free. I can support him by paying to see him in concert. As a fan who supports him in that manner I also reserve the right to share my opinion that Wonderchild is lame and that his concerts can get kind of boring for repeat viewers. I think anyone here who hasn't seen Adam, the people that we're supposed to be campaigning on his fiscal behalf for, know that's just a product of some of us seeing the show too many times and they know that all of us would still recommend the show to anyone. I've enjoyed myself at each of his shows and probably will see him again.

And here's what it comes down to. Why our criticisms make us bad fans. If Adam Pascal's next album is truly make or break for him, he doesn't need obnoxious fans who will get "creative" like Voices for Rent has gotten "creative". He needs to get some proper management and adhere to it. He's not exactly following a good business model in his quest for a financially viable solo career, and no amount of campaigning on his behalf is going to get him to wise up on the right way to market himself.

It's silly. I've seen you in every imaginable Rent/Pascal community I've browsed through. If you don't like this one then why do you stick around? I mean, when I joined I knew that half the people here hated me, but I never used that to call them bad Adam Pascal fans. re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2
#1611

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

If you do a Google image search for sporks, the Adam thread part 1 comes up. re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

I was just watching a show about China post-Mao. It gives the "blind admiration" versus "constructive criticism" argument a whole new perspective. I prefer the less oppressive option. Thank god for democracy.
Like a firework unexploded
Wanting life but never knowing how

Updated On: 11/8/07 at 04:11 PM

#1612

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

It's like the debates that came with the release of Civilian, re: Book of Endings. If you were offended by it, then you must have had something to be self conscious of. Same idea.


i have no idea what this is referring to. so i'm not sure what the same idea would be. my knee-jerk reaction was a combination of a horrible day at the office and the implied tone in that post. as i said, that was how i took it, whether intentional or not that is how i took it.

i asked the question about the mute cd because it was a ligitimate question. and because i was trying to stop the drama. yes i know i perpetuated it, so i was trying to stop it. so sue me.

i'm also not really sure where i've lied in any of my posts, so i have nothing to hide from.

i was also put off by adamrentluv's post in that i also want to have people to talk to and feel bad that this poster feels they can't post here. i think it's too bad that to an outsider that is the impression of this thread. that is not directed at anyone, it's just my feelings on the subject.
"Sometimes on the strip, the dreams you come in with, ain't the dreams you leave with" ~Rock of Ages
"I'm a butterfly, trivial and small, and in the greater scheme of things, I don't mean much at all." ~The Story of My Life
"Forget Regret, or life is yours to miss." ~Rent
#1614

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

there is an older picture of adam wearing that same green shirt. i've seen it but i don't remember where i saw it. i just remember his hair was really curly and bushy
"Sometimes on the strip, the dreams you come in with, ain't the dreams you leave with" ~Rock of Ages
"I'm a butterfly, trivial and small, and in the greater scheme of things, I don't mean much at all." ~The Story of My Life
"Forget Regret, or life is yours to miss." ~Rent
#1615

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

i have no idea what this is referring to. so i'm not sure what the same idea would be.

...wouldn't any good Adam Pascal fan know what Book of Endings is about?

Sorry, I'll stop. I've already offended enough people today by maligning Larry's ponytail.
#1616

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

I love the video from BWW of the interviews of the cast members from that night. Especially Adam's chattiness.
"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley
#1618

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

i have no idea what this is referring to. so i'm not sure what the same idea would be.

...wouldn't any good Adam Pascal fan know what Book of Endings is about?


i know what the song is about, i don't know what the debates that were referred to are about.

GG: I love that video, and you're right adam was very chatty....and apparently very inebriated. re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2
"Sometimes on the strip, the dreams you come in with, ain't the dreams you leave with" ~Rock of Ages
"I'm a butterfly, trivial and small, and in the greater scheme of things, I don't mean much at all." ~The Story of My Life
"Forget Regret, or life is yours to miss." ~Rent
#1619

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

It's ok to malign Larry's man tail, I think it's kind of funny looking on him. (I think he'd look really sharp with shorter hair, but whatever re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2). Is that white wine? Ha, show's how much I know about liquor!
Your aspirations are your possibilities-Samuel Johnson (and a little help from nomdeplume)
#1620

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

i know what the song is about, i don't know what the debates that were referred to are about.

She clarified that when making the reference, though. If you were offended by it, then you must have had something to be self conscious of. The debates being about whether or not the song was offensive to the fans, I'm assuming. The argument being it's not offensive unless it actually applies to you.

Just like there's no reason to assume you're being indicated as a sockpuppet unless you have something to do with it. Considering the identity of some of the anonymous posters I responded to on rentsecrets, this is kind of an ironic discussion for me...
#1621

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

this is the picture i was talking about

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2
"Sometimes on the strip, the dreams you come in with, ain't the dreams you leave with" ~Rock of Ages
"I'm a butterfly, trivial and small, and in the greater scheme of things, I don't mean much at all." ~The Story of My Life
"Forget Regret, or life is yours to miss." ~Rent
#1624

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

The smile is cute. The hair, not so much. I prefer his style in the picture with Tamyra.
"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley
#1625

re: The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part 14 v. 2

I love the first picture. It's adorable.
"Nothing's lost forever. In this world, there is a kind of painful progress. Longing for what we've left behind, and dreaming ahead."

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