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[Elphaba3]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:36pm

Ok. I'm getting the book. Which should i get? the one with the Musical pictures or the original? i know theres no difference in story but... you know.

[Justice]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:39pm

get the original. It has a better cover, and the musical pictures (which could also be found in the program as well as vocal selections) are irrelevant to the book

[FabalaCohen]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:42pm

While I haven't seen the edition with the musical pictures, I'll also have to go with the original.

[BEKA531]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:44pm

well, i have the original cause i got it when it first came out, so...

yes! gulch! i laugh at that and everyone looks at me, they don't understand what's so funny... *whoosh* straight over their heads

[Elphaba3]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:45pm

thanks Justice... love the pic. my stupid profile thingy wont let me change mine... very sad. Anyway. A lot of my friends have told me that Wicked IS an awesome musical but its not THE BEST. I probably agree with them but in the long run its Wicked that "touched" my heart. I mean, the story, the music.. the sets costumes EVERYTHING basically. Its the whole package that really captured me..I guess you could say I've always been a dreamer. Its just that they don't seem to see that. They just think I'm another stupid Shizkid.

[FabalaCohen]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:50pm

I'll agree with you there..."Wicked" falls into my "It touched me in some way..." of favorites. It's just about a girl who wants to be accepted for who she is and wants to be respected(my theory). It's not the best, and it's not overtly bad (but that dialouge- my ears!), but it's good.

[Elphaba3]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:53pm

I give you a toast,FabalaCohen, a toast of Lemons and melons and pears!

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:54pm

We attend an ASCAP musical theatre workshop that's run by Mr. Schwartz. At last year's event, Ms. Holtzman was there as well, and they talked a bit about Wicked - especially answering questions that people had about the transfer from book to stage. For what it's worth, something he relayed really stuck with me, and I think addresses the issue of the major differences between the two.

He said he had been at a party and someone came up and asked if he had heard of the book Wicked. He said, "No, what's it about?" The answer was simply something like, "It's the backstory of the Wicked Witch of the West." According to him, he knew AT THAT MOMENT that he wanted to write a musical based on this concept - before reading the book, or even really knowing anything about it.

Once a thought like that crosses your mind, you start to envision all manner of things that could go into it - which may (or obviously may NOT) have anything to do with the actual novel. Many of the things that occurred to him were referrencing the Oz movie. So, when he finally did get to read the novel and start to work on the piece, many thoughts and ideas were shoe=horned into it that had nothing to do with the book.

One other thing - both he and Winnie made a very conscious choice to tie into the known iconagraphy of the movie OZ, as they felt this was the touchstone for much of what their audience would be. And it's also important to remember that Mr. Maguire has stated very succinctly that he feels this is a tremendous piece of work that sheds a whole new light on the work he created.

My own feeling is that it's not up to a musical to be a living representation of the book - the book stands on its own to create that vision. I feel this is a seperate creation that is inspired by the novel's ideas.

[Elphaba3]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 7:59pm

Also, he had to squish a lot of ideas and events into 2.5 hours.

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:01pm

I agree DGrant

At first, I was disappointed that the musical was different. After Maguire said that he liked the musical and the changes made, I decided to look at each differently.

I mean, look at the Berlin Stories - Cabaret isn't an exact representation of the Berlin Stores.

(Not that I am comparing Cabaret to Wicked.)

[Matthew Rask]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:01pm

It's moments like this that I love you most, Mr. Grant and am soo happy that you post.

[BEKA531]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:01pm

that is very true, dgrant. however, the musical is "based on the novel" not "inspired by the novel". this leads me to believe that it would follow the novel a little bit closer.


that's the problem with all book > show/movie, elphaba3. think about what's gonna happen with the last harry potters! they're gonna be SO butchered to fit into a timespan that their younger audiences can sit through. Updated On: 1/12/05 at 08:01 PM

[ashley0139]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:02pm

Interesting thread. I was a little wary at first but if BEKA and some of you other sane people are on here it must be ok. I agree with BG2 that you almost don't wanna admit you like as to not be associated with the fans. Anyways, I have a question that has been bugging me for a while. In the Wizard of Oz, isn't it all a dream? At the end, Dorothy wakes up and her aunt and everyone were the witches and stuff in her dream? How do we have this whole wicked thing then?

[FabalaCohen]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:03pm

I don't think any adaption can be a "living representation"- that's why they're called "adaptions." I read POTO and it's completely different from Webber's stage show.

As for the reason the Oz movie is referenced, I have my basic theory of Wicked- Maguire's book follows more along the lines of Baum's series, which have a very dark nature. The stage/visual version follows along the film, which was "Disneyfied" (since there's no better term for it) from the books.

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:07pm

I wouldn't worry too much about what other fans are doing. I'm sure there were some people who wanted to distance themselves from the Beatles because of the insane teenage girls - and it didn't seem to affect their career much - or their standing within the overall history of music.

[Elphaba3]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:09pm

ok, yea. Long notes there everyone, good job. perhaps you'd like to post some on mine.. the new one about directors.. its a crucial subject matter. i seriously dont know what to do!..... Wicked,ah yes! do they use MAC for the green?

[BEKA531]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:12pm

As for the reason the Oz movie is referenced, I have my basic theory of Wicked- Maguire's book follows more along the lines of Baum's series, which have a very dark nature. The stage/visual version follows along the film, which was "Disneyfied" (since there's no better term for it) from the books.

well said, fabala. i HATE it when stuff is disney-fied.


ashley, i'm sticking with the novel with this one, but there is supposed to be an actual "land of oz". it's not totally clear how people from "our world" can get there, but it is possible. in this world, sorcery, talking animals, and green-skinned people can exist.

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:13pm

ashley, if you want to go with the Oz movie and the dream sequence, you could say we never really know if it's a dream or not. Oz could be "another dimmension." Maybe her mind went there, and not her physical body.

Then, on the other hand, all dreams have some plotline. The dream itself is only a glimpse into one part of the story/action. For example, the pre-Oz (black and white sequence) was happening simultaneously with "Thank Goodness." Then, since a lot of things are happenign at once, "Wicked" focuses on the Wicked Witch, while "The Wizard of Oz" focuses on Dorothy...

(Hmmmm, thinking too much into this!)

[BEKA531]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:15pm

yes, they yse MAC for the green makeup.

[BEKA531]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:16pm

you said it a lot better than i did, bso. i didn't really know how to describe it...

[Liam]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:17pm

who told us any of us on this site were Sane?

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:18pm

I think we should get jackets and pins and cards!

[Elphaba3]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:20pm

yea, bsobw2, chill there... take a break. Oz: definitly s real place.. it must be! with the balloon and what-not! I just think Oz would be something like an island you can find on a map, but not deserted... well. hmm.. so confusing. Oz is like its there but its not there at the same time.. maybe like a parallel universe but i think that perhaps Baum was on some kind of drug when he invented Oz because it definitly has realistic characteristics.

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:23pm

Oz is a drug induced hallucination cause by a bizarre, unexpected twister of fate (with the taking of drugs, that is).

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 1/12/05 at 8:25pm

Oh, back to the Miss Gulch line - since I never read the comments before - it's not like Carole Shelley says it inaudibly (word?). She says it quite clear. Next time I see the show, I want to clap for the line - or laugh real loud!