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It is not only The Right who slams Obama over Israel. Add famous Leftist Alan Dershowitz



Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz slammed President Obama for "stabbing Israel in the back"

"[History will see President Obama] as one of the worst foreign policy presidents ever," Dershowitz said.

"He called me into the Oval Office before the inauguration -- he said he wanted my support, and he told me he would always have Israel's back," Dershowitz said. "I didn't realize what he meant: That he would have Israel's back so he could stab them in the back."

He continued: "What he did was so nasty, he pulled a bait and switch. He told the American public this is all about the settlements deep in the West Bank. And yet, he allowed he representative to the U.N. to abstain --which is really a vote for-- a resolution that says the Jews can't pray at the Western Wall, Jews can't live in the Jewish Quarter [of Jerusalem] where they have lived for thousands of years. And he's going to say, 'Whoops! I didn't mean that!' Well read the resolution! You're a lawyer, you went to Harvard Law School."

He also said: "This will make peace much more difficult to achieve because the Palestinians will now say 'we can get a state through the UN'."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/26/dershowitz_obama_will_go_down_in_history_as_one_of_the_worst_foreign_policy_presidents_ever.html

Mister Matt, meanwhile, I'm reading over you. I can't with the denseness.

Of course you can! You exhibit denseness as consistently and constantly as you do condescension.

I think you can! I think you can! I think you can! I think you can!

Keep it up! Keep it up! Keep it up! Keep it up!



Well according to his own maxim of solace, if we're pissing off BroadwayConcierge, then we're doing something right. winkie-face cuz it makes me seem so cute and harmless! smilie-face!

Concierge, nobody defended Obama?! Maybe you just can't see the other side of the argument. Israel has brutally murdered thousands of innocent Palestinians and have stripped them of all their human rights, this is why Obama has realigned the United States position on Israel. Israel is not the good guy in this case.

Jorge, you've got to be kidding me. Hamas and Fatah still, today, call for Israel's total and utter destruction. Palestine wants to utterly liquidate and decimate the Jewish state. There has never been a Palestinian state—they moved in on Israeli territory and they are the ones issuing demands. Why does Israel have to answer to the world when it defends itself? We should have been standing by our ally this entire time, and the fact that Obama has set conditions for our defense of Israel is reprehensible and sickening.

Call_me_jorge said: "Israel has brutally murdered thousands of innocent Palestinians and have stripped them of all their human rights, this is why Obama has realigned the United States position on Israel. Israel is not the good guy in this case."

Well, as far as US policy is concerned, I believe that we should be officially neutral - as we should be in all conflicts that don't directly imperil American lives. We shouldn't be arming, funding, or threatening either side. (I know that's just part of my libertarian fantasy-land.) That neutrality is probably enough for pro-Israel folks to label me as anti-Zionist (or worse).

However, I'm inclined, based on my limited knowledge of the situation, to conclude that Israel is more sinned against than sinning. I don't want to over-romanticize things, but Israeli leaders seem to generally value democracy and human rights - even for Palestinian citizens in Israel - and, well, I just don't get that vibe from Palestinian political leaders.

Understandably, many Israeli Arabs feel like they are not full citizens of an explicitly Jewish state. However, they can participate fully in government and are not persecuted. The government in fact goes to great lengths to protect the rights of Muslims to access holy sites under Israeli control.

None of this applies to Palestinians outside of Israel, of course. Israel has killed many innocent Palestinians, just as American drones have killed many innocent people in that part of the world. I can't defend this in either case, though it seems clear to me that Israel faces a far bigger threat from its Middle Eastern neighbors than the United States does. I also can't defend the building of Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands. I think the Israeli government is pretty wishy-washy about it too - settlements can only be built in the middle of nowhere, and settlers are offered an extremely limited level of security protection.

But, you know, Israel faces constant security threats from its neighbors. I am quite certain that American leaders would not show any more restraint than Israel has under these circumstances. Once again, though, the killing of innocent civilians can never be defended.

I think Israel should officially secularize itself. I don't think any nation should be dedicated to one religion over others. Creating a second state dedicated to another religion does not seem like a positive step to me - which is why I think the international community should insist that a new Palestinian nation be a liberal democracy rather than an Islamic state.

Call_me_jorge said: "Concierge, nobody defended Obama?! Maybe you just can't see the other side of the argument. Israel has brutally murdered thousands of innocent Palestinians and have stripped them of all their human rights, this is why Obama has realigned the United States position on Israel. Israel is not the good guy in this case.



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Not true. When you graduate high school, then maybe you will make intelligent statements. Just so you know, I don't plan to debate this point with a teenager. So respond accordingly. I've been thinking about Jorge's post . This is really an offensive post and needs to be removed from this thread by the moderators.

Updated On: 12/29/16 at 05:53 PM

Call_me_jorge said: "Concierge, nobody defended Obama?! Maybe you just can't see the other side of the argument. Israel has brutally murdered thousands of innocent Palestinians and have stripped them of all their human rights, this is why Obama has realigned the United States position on Israel. Israel is not the good guy in this case.


You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You're way out of your depth here.

Updated On: 12/28/16 at 05:57 PM

Call_me_jorge said: "Concierge, nobody defended Obama?! Maybe you just can't see the other side of the argument. Israel has brutally murdered thousands of innocent Palestinians and have stripped them of all their human rights, this is why Obama has realigned the United States position on Israel. Israel is not the good guy in this case.



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DUMBEST POST EVER WRITTEN ON HERE OR AT LEAST IN 2016.... AND I DONT EVEN LIKE ISRAEL! LOL who is this person??? what are they even saying and HOW OLD are they????? shiat.

I have two questions as Palestinian-Israeli relations are not my strong suit. Why have key European allies like France, Germany and Great Britain come out in support of both Kerry and the UN? Have Netanyahu and his Likud party been a help or hindrance to a workable two-state solution during the Obama administration?

Updated On: 12/29/16 at 11:22 AM

DUMBEST POST EVER WRITTEN ON HERE OR AT LEAST IN 2016.... AND I DONT EVEN LIKE ISRAEL! LOL who is this person??? what are they even saying and HOW OLD are they????? shiat.

WHY DOES THEIR AGE MATTER WHEN YOUR RESPONSE IS MORE IMMATURE THAN THEIR STATEMENT???????? LOL AND IF YOU THINK THIS IS THE DUMBEST POST IN 2016, THEN YOU SHOULD PROBABLY STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS WITH LOTS OF QUESTION MARKS AND READING MORE THREADS. PERHAPS USE AN APOSTROPHE????????????? LOL

ukpuppetboy said: "This thread really does highlight how insular and self-serving American media reporting on world affairs is. Outside of that bubble Israel's role in the conflict is often judged far more critically - which should go some way to explaining your question Javero.



The Republican Party's love of Israel has always been amusing to me, given how anti-Semitic most of its members and voters are.

Call_me_jorge : perhaps you were basing that view on the numerous reports from the BBC, The Guardian or the UN regarding Israelie offensives such as Operation Protective Edge (2014) and Operation Cast Lead (2009).

"The number of civilians killed during Israel's Operation Protective Edge offensive has raised international concern and condemnation.

Between 8 July and 27 August, more than 2,100 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip, along with 66 Israeli soldiers and seven civilians in Israel.

The UN says the vast majority of Palestinian deaths are civilian. But figures from previous operations over the past six years in the densely populated Gaza Strip show it is not the first time civilians have paid a heavy price."

Source: BBC News 1/9/14

Because of Obama! He is personally responsible!