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#1

Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 8:13am

Well, what did you think of the premiere? I constantly watch the reruns, and find it is no where near as funny as the older episodes. Debra Messing looked a lot heavier. She did not lose her "baby" weight yet. I was also sad to see Harry Connick go. But, I liked Gregroy Hines and Woody Harrelson the best as her boyfriends. Give Will a boyfriend already. It is unrealistic that such a cutie would not have one. Karen and Jack are still my favorites but are now a little over the top. I found the show last season when Jack was dancing in the background with J-lo perfoming hysterical. His do-rag kept slipping off.

"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by moments that take our breath away." "Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain."

#2

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 8:14am

By a lot heavier, I assume you mean something approaching a healthy weight.

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#3

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 8:17am

Exactly. In the old episodes, she was so boney. She does look better.

"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by moments that take our breath away." "Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain."

#4

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 8:23am

Here's hoping she stays that way and doesn't return to her old three calories from death look.

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#5

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 8:35am

i read that Bobby Canavale was joining the cast as Will's boyfriend... i think it was in Out magazine...

#6

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 8:39am

He'll last all of 3 episodes then, like the rest of Will's boyfriends. Bobby Cannavale is hot, too.

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#7

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:16am

Yes, popculture, she looks fabulous. She needs to keep this weight.

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

#8

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:28am

Does anyone remember the episode with Matt Damon when Jack suspected he was straight singing in the gay man's chorus? (funny episode) He asked Grace to seduce him. She tore off her blouse and there was nothing there.

"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by moments that take our breath away." "Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain."

#9

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:36am

Well... as I posted on another thread, I thought the season premiere was awful! I used to love this show, but it's just no where near as funny as it once was. This week Jennifer Lopez, next week Janet Jackson... give me a break! Whenever a show starts trotting out one celebrity after another to make inane guest appearances as themselves, you know they're getting desperate. I know it's just a sitcom, but shouldn't it have some base in reality? It's just gotten too ridiculous and over the top for me. And thank you Broadwaylady... yes... when will they give Will a boyfriend (who will last for more than two episodes) and have him enter into at least a quasi-realistic relationship? A good looking, in-shape, lawyer with desposible income and a Manhattan aparatment to die for... and no boyfriend or sex life to speak of? I mean come on! Is this show really doing as much for the gay community as many purport?

There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 9/17/04 at 09:36 AM

#10

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:37am

Ah! I missed it!
I was at work and I didnt realize that it was premiering this week... how sad.

"My friends have made the story of my life." -Helen Keller

#11

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:37am

Because when he's in a relationship the focus of the show is changed and the balance is shifted.

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

#12

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:40am

Rath... then why doesn't the same apply to Grace? She's been allowed to have one long-term (for T.V.) boyfriend after another, and has even been allowed to get married (and now apparently divocred). At least her relationships tend to last a season or two. She's seen actually having a life outside of her relationship with Will.

There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 9/17/04 at 09:40 AM

#13

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:44am

It does apply - it's boring when she's in a relationship too - I'm thrilled they're getting rid of Connick. I also couldn't stand when she was with Woody Harrelson. The only one they made interesting was the Gregory Hines relationship, because he was Will's boss and carried over to other storylines.

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

#14

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:50am

Well... so be it. Then I guess you're not looking for anything even slightly rooted in reality. For me, if I don't find the characters and the situations at least somewhat believable, I just can't relate and my interest wanes.

There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

#15

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:51am

I'm not in a relationship - does that make me an unrealistic gay character?

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

#16

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:52am

I didn't mind Woody Harrelson dating Grace but only because he played his character so very very well.

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#17

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 9:59am

Gee Rath... I don't know. Hard for me to say. Are you in Will's age-range? What do you look like? Are you in-shape? Are you a successful Lawyer? Are you well off? Do you have an apartment to die for in Manhattan, or another cosmopolitan city with a large gay population? There are so many variables that come into play that could/should increase a gay man's chances of having at least one meaningful relationship in seven years. I mean... I'm gay, and I wasn't in a relationship for many years either. But then again, I'm not Will and I don't have his life.

There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 9/17/04 at 09:59 AM

#18

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 10:06am

Nor are you in a TV sitcom.

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#19

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 10:06am

Just because someone is gorgeous and successful doesn't mean he'll be in a successful relationship. You know that.

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

#20

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 10:10am

I never said he had to have a successful relationship. Grace's relationships are ultimately not successful. I'd just like to see him get laid every once in a while!

There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

#21

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 10:11am

Oh well, nothing wrong with THAT. I just don't think that show does long-term relationships well, and I do love the basic writing and acting so much.

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

#22

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 11:20am

~LOVE Bobby Cannavalle!!!!

~LOVE Megan Mullally

~Debra Messing looks SOOO much prettier now.

#23

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 1:06pm

Well I only got to see half the episode because I only set my VCR for a half hour. With all the promotions the cast did this week I didn't hear one mention that it would be on for an hour. Now I'll have to wait for them to re-air the episode.

Hey Dottie! Did your colleagues enjoy the cake even though your cat decided to sit on it? ~GuyfromGermany

#24

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 1:37pm

The premiere was dullsville. The timing during all the J-Lo scenes was way off (gee, I wonder why). The Grace/Leo situation was a real downer and the rest of the humor wasn't funny enough to lift it up. It could easily have started as Grace having already left him and they move on to something else. The whole Should I/Shouldn't I thing was a waste of time and brought nothing new to her character. If you know Grace, the entire episode was predictable.

"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

#25

re: Will and Grace - premiere

Posted: 9/17/04 at 4:13pm

The whole Grace and Leo thing was depressing and should have been left out altogether. The show ended on a depressing note.. Jo-Lo, a megastar, millionaire riding the subway? That is about as believeable as Will not having a boyfriend. I guess they like Will and Grace single because the whole story line is about their relationship. The funniest episodes to me are when the character, Beverly Leslie, are in them. I think they know the ratings are slipping so they are bringing all these big stars in.

"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by moments that take our breath away." "Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain."

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