clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 126

[South Florida]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 6:29pm

^ that's hot I hope you're a girl.

 

[binau]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 6:29pm

Steve C. said: "How can old "honest" Bernie release a new attack ad daily, I mean every day...and yet, Bernie (and Jane) can't release their tax records for the past 8 years? I see, Yada Yada Yada...

This will all be over tomorrow.

 

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Can you please show me Bernie's attack ads for the last X number of days you are claiming? (I expect one for nearly every day to be consistent with your claim).

 

[binau]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 6:30pm

..post to stop it from disappearing

[binau]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 6:38pm

Jordan Catalano said: "What's interesting is that this is probably the first Presidential election where the "everyone gets a trophy" millennial kids have been able to vote. The kids who grew up using playgrounds with foam on the ground and plastic covering the handles of the swings so that they don't get pinched and who were covered from head to toe before they were allowed to go ride their bike around the neighborhood. They were raised to believe that they're perfect and special and entitled to everything, so Bernie's message is right on par with how they were brought up and anyone with an opposing opinion is "the enemy" or coming from "not a safe space" and it's been fascinating to see how that upbringing has translated into politics.

 

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This is incredibly condescending (and you know I love you and think you are literally the funniest poster on this forum). American people should absolutely be entitled to public healthcare, a high minimum wage, accessible higher education, paid parental/sick leave, a political system without corruption from big money interests etc. etc. America is so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to the welfare of citizens that it is a joke.

 

 

Updated On: 4/18/16 at 06:38 PM

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 7:45pm

Bernie in Brooklyn with Ruffalo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfqNRReOXmA

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 8:07pm

Not cool with this?  Then vote responsibly!

 

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 8:18pm

Oh, Hillary.  I love Israeli c**k too, but really.

 

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/18/hillary_clinton_goysplains_to_bernie_sanders_in_passover_article_accusing_him_of_betraying_his_people_by_criticizing_israel/

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 8:35pm

Here's the actual article.  http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/fighting-oppression-inequality-and-injustice-on-passover/

And the actual clause.  

"Protecting allies and partners like Israel is one of the most solemn duties of any Commander-in-Chief. Yet others in this race suggest we must remain “neutral” in order to negotiate. But Israel’s safety is simply non-negotiable. And it would be a grave mistake for the United States to cede the mantle of leadership in the peace process to anyone else. For the security of Israel and the world, we need America to remain a respected global leader, and be ready and able to block any international effort to isolate or attack Israel."

 I cannot wait until the Primaries are over.

 

Updated On: 4/18/16 at 08:35 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 8:44pm

 

Tomorrow should make everything change. The media narrative, if not the bile from the Bernie supporters.

I don't remember a New York primary being such a deciding factor in my lifetime.

 

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 9:36pm

Sanders is now accusing Clinton and the DNC of illegal campaign fundraising. His desperation is becoming harmful to everyone involved, and tainting an otherwise impressive campaign. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 9:49pm

 America is so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to the welfare of citizens that it is a joke.

Does "the rest of the world" include North Korea? Or South Sudan? Or Bolivia? Or Saudi Arabia? Or...? Or...?

[binau]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 10:22pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: " America is so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to the welfare of citizens that it is a joke.

Does "the rest of the world" include North Korea? Or South Sudan? Or Bolivia? Or Saudi Arabia? Or...? Or...?

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I have been more specific in previous posts about this point, but to clarify I mean many other western* nations. I think the main point is that despite the USA being basically the most wealthy country in the world, they are not leaders in citizen welfare (not surprisingly, it's those countries with socialist policies more aligned to Bernie Sanders' campaign than Hillary Clinton's that are at the top). No need to be pedantic here. This view is not controversial. 

"Sanders is now accusing Clinton and the DNC of illegal campaign fundraising. His desperation is becoming harmful to everyone involved, and tainting an otherwise impressive campaign. "

The question is whether the accusations are true or not. If they are true it is legitimate to raise this concern, if it's not true it's not legitimate. Are they true?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 10:27pm

Is it true that Bernie was convicted of murder?

When did you stop beating your wife?

"I know it's not true, but let's make the sonofab!tch deny it"

Updated On: 4/18/16 at 10:27 PM

[Steve C.]

Posted: 4/18/16 at 11:18pm

It's time you realize the lies and deception need to stop.

 

Steven -- 

 

I want to let you know about a development that just occurred, because it matters. The tone of this primary matters, and the condition of our party at the end of it will matter as we prepare to face Donald Trump or Ted Cruz this fall.

 

Earlier today, the Sanders campaign wrote a letter to the Democratic National Committee, falsely accusing us of violating campaign finance law.

 

You won’t be surprised by what happened next: 26 minutes after the letter was sent, his campaign sent a fundraising email attempting to capitalize on the phony charges.

 

(Before you read any further, let's get one thing straight: this accusation is false. They're questioning our joint fundraising agreement with the DNC, which allows us to support Democrats running up and down the ticket -- the same fundraising structure used by President Obama in 2008 and 2012.)

 

This latest incident is part of a troubling pattern of behavior -- occurring just as Bernie’s mathematical odds of winning the nomination dwindle toward zero -- in which Sanders and his team are not just debating us on issues (which we all agree is perfectly fair), but rather attacking Hillary Clinton’s character, integrity, and motivations.

 

The fact that they include the Democratic Party in these charges -- an organization we want future generations of progressives to trust and support -- further confirms that the Sanders campaign has let things get out of hand in its waning days. To wit:

• Over the weekend, they had protesters outside one of our fundraising events -- one whose proceeds went not just to Hillary for America, but to the Democratic National Committee and 32 state Democratic Parties -- throwing dollar bills at Hillary’s motorcade, as if they were at, shall we say, an adult entertainment venue. This was just days after someone introducing Bernie at a rally called Hillary a “Democratic whore.”
• In last week’s debate, Bernie questioned Hillary’s commitment to fighting climate change because a whopping 0.2% of the money given to our campaign has come from employees of oil and gas companies. Not even 2%, mind you: 0.2%.
• And of course, Sanders spent several days calling Hillary unqualified for the presidency, based on an entirely false claim that Hillary had said the same about him. She hadn’t (and still hasn’t, even after what he said).

To be clear, we welcome a debate on the important issues facing Americans, like how to prevent gun violence, encourage tolerance, and do more to level the playing field for Americans who are counting on us.

 

But it’s hard to see how anyone -- other than Donald Trump and Ted Cruz -- benefits from this downward spiral of irresponsible and baseless attacks. Right about now is when we ought to be talking about coming together as a progressive movement, not undermining a generation of voters’ faith in the Democratic Party and in the woman who is almost certain to be its nominee.

 

Thank you for everything you do to support our campaign.

Also, the commercials in NY are added daily.

I also think the dollar bill stunt was despicable and just shows you how low he will go. (and they bus in phony supporters to his rallies too). 

Updated On: 4/18/16 at 11:18 PM

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 12:01am

Somewhere Karl Rove is smiling.  

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 12:04am

Jordan's post, startling in its accuracy. Off-the-charts insightful. 

[binau]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 3:50am

There is more sniper fire in this thread than on Hillary's Bosnia trip.

 



 

Updated On: 4/19/16 at 03:50 AM

[javero]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 3:55am

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you Bernie Sanders.  With friends like Bernie, who needs enemies.  But don't take my word for it. Let's allow his former friends to weigh in some of whom make Obama's Rev Jeremiah Wright look like a Boy Scout.

Exhibit I

Exhibit II

Exhibit III

Excerpt: "Liberty Union candidates, urging worker ownership of corporations and taxes for only the rich, have never won an election.  In fact, they have never won more than 10 per cent of the the vote in statewide election".

[South Florida]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 7:40am

"You all know--and don't give a damn about--her laundry list of sins, including the ones against your own gay community.  I truly, truly do not understand it and never will."

 

Still waiting for someone to explain this, no takers Borstalboy.

[javero]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 8:37am

Did Sanders really spend time at a Marxist-Stalinist Kibbutz?  As a non-Jew, I readily admit that I don't have a full understanding of the nature of the communes.  But, I recall several Jewish colleagues being annoyed earlier that Sanders was hesitant to identify the actual Kibbutz where he agreed to volunteer while still a burgeoning socialist.

PalJoey, someone, anyone, please enlighten me. 

[binau]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 8:44am

I'm not sure which laundry list you're referring to South Florida. The time where she said that marriage was a sacred bond between a man and a woman? The time she quickly said "no" and smirked in response to a question about whether she supported gay marriage? The time she complimented the Reagans for their role in starting a national conversation about HIV and AIDS? The time she supported the Iraq War? The time she said she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire which was then proven to be false? The times she flip-flopped on immigration (deportation), on trade (TPP), gay marriage, minimum wage? That she is both advocating to reform the campaign finance system while at the same time exploiting it? That somehow she describes herself as both a 'moderate' and a 'progressive' depending on who she is talking to? 

Perhaps some might say Anderson Cooper described it best when he said will you [Hillary] say anything to be elected? But no South Florida, actually you're missing the point. It's Bernie Sanders who is really the issue here. He wants to reform campaign finance to prevent political influence from the billionaire class while also practicing what he preaches by rejecting campaign finance from the billionaire class. That just doesn't make any sense in the current political establishment. A candidate that actually wants to finally bring the quality of USA welfare closer to the standards of many other western nations in Healthcare and Education and do something about the gross levels of income inequality in the USA? Sorry, what a terrible idea. The idea that a presidential candidate be guided by their core values and rarely flip flop on issues is also a a ridiculous thing to consider important. And worst of all are those pesky millennials who through their good research and computer skills can actually look back at the candidates and their records, look at how USA citizens are being treated compared with many other western nations and then actually expect something to be done about it? What a bunch of entitled brats. 

 



 

[javero]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 8:50am

Burlington Mayor Saint Bernard Sanders signs resolution proclaiming marriage a lifelong commitment between a husband and wife.

Updated On: 4/19/16 at 08:50 AM

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 9:01am

If you listen to Bernie's stump speeches, you'd think we could have free college, universal healthcare, a $15 minimum wage, and more all paid for by taxing billionaires and corporations.  That doesn't pass the sniff test.  In order to accomplish any of this, you would need significant increases in EVERYONE'S taxes, plus buy-in from EVERY STATE.  He wants to use Scandinavian countries as models, well OK.  Then be up front about it and tell everyone what the impact would be to all our taxes.

Also, his purity test for not having a SuperPAC and not accepting corporate donations would exclude Obama, Biden, and Kerry.  

Let's not go down path of dragging the party so far to the left that we lose the middle.

[binau]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 9:09am

javero said: "Burlington Mayor Saint Bernard Sanders signs resolution proclaiming marriage a lifelong commitment between a husband and wife.

 

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Clinton Supporters Contorts Queer History to Attack Sanders’ Record.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-c-frank/clinton-campaign-contorts_b_9184856.html

 

[javero]

Posted: 4/19/16 at 9:13am

Of the 5 colleges that operate under the banner of Vermont State Colleges, not one of the them offers FREE tuition to either in-state or out-of-state students.  Perhaps Sanders' plan would gain traction outside his cult if it was already in force in his home state.