A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged- Page 2

[Thesbijean]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:01pm

Yeah, they can bill the house seats to the person who the tickets are for (with their credit card etc), OR, if the tickets haven't been paid within 48 hours, then it gets deducted from the actors paycheck.

Again, and it looks like Broadwayguy2 is the only one who agrees with me (prolly cause he understands how family oriented the entire Broadway community is), stop griping, and be thankful that shows do lotteries/rushes in the first place. They have NO obligation whatsoever.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:01pm

no, it's false actually. They said that 20 tickets are available at $20. All 20 are sold for that scale, so that is true. If you want to gripe, gripe about them saying $20, then charging $21.25.

[musicalsFan]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:01pm

we are not whining

we are MAD

learn the difference, broadwayguy2

sounds like you have personal stake in this.

[missyrose87]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:02pm

Do all the shows draw the names inside? The only lotto i've ever done was wicked, and they pulled them right there in front of everybody. also, they said "usually we draw 25, but today we are only drawing 17." I assumed it was because the others went to cast members, and i was fine with that because they told us ahead of time.

[ben4]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:03pm

Maybe broadwayguy is in the show and needs to get tickets for his family.

[musicalsFan]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:04pm

Again, and it looks like Broadwayguy2 is the only one who agrees with me (prolly cause he understands how family oriented the entire Broadway community is), stop griping, and be thankful that shows do lotteries/rushes in the first place. They have NO obligation whatsoever.

you two really don't get it, do you????

they have no obligation. FINE. We get it.

But if you say you are doing one thing, then doing another, then it is HYPOCRITICAL. It is called lying. I have seen enough from George W. Bush to know the difference!

[Thesbijean]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:04pm

"How is it fair when the results are predetermined???"

"Just tell us! Is that too much to ask?????"

"But don't pull this stunt about everyone having a FAIR chance at winning the lotto. We're not IDIOTS. Just play straight with us."


If it looks like whining, and sounds like whining, it IS whining...

[WaltSummersPI]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:04pm

That's what I was thinking.

Enter the lottery (fairly) like everyone else.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:05pm

No pesonal stake. I have won and lost at ACL... you really have no reason to be mad. Does anyone gripe when hairspray gives out 20 seats when there are 24 seats in front row? Does anyone gripe at X show when a cast member hangs outside at a rush line to save room for someone? Does anyone gripe when a house seat is used by a company member and made available to the public? I mean it IS a seat in the theatre.. you should have a chance, right?
It's whining.

[jordangirl]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:06pm

Now see, that's more fair missyrose. That way people know better what their chances are.

Again, I'm not saying don't give the seats to the cast members. Just do it ahead of time and say upfront that you'll be drawing for x number of available seats. Because if they've already been promised to cast members for family and friends, those seats really aren't available.

[musicalsFan]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:06pm

Maybe broadwayguy is in the show and needs to get tickets for his family.

Yeah.

He sounds like the typical double-talking political idiots we have in Washington, DC these days.

Trying to justify things, even though it makes not logical sense.

[musicalsFan]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:08pm

"How is it fair when the results are predetermined???"

"Just tell us! Is that too much to ask?????"

"But don't pull this stunt about everyone having a FAIR chance at winning the lotto. We're not IDIOTS. Just play straight with us."


If it looks like whining, and sounds like whining, it IS whining...

No. That is not whining.

Those are DEMANDS for some honesty.

Do I need to put them in all caps??? Would that be better????

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:09pm

Chorus Line ALWAYS draws inside. Do you REALLY think that no one can rig something by drawing while outside? I mean seriously.. are YOU seeing what is written on that card? They could say any name that they want. Get with it.
No, I am not in ACL.. nor do I ever see myself in that show.
What's not logical? Because I reiterated what is STATED in the policy?
Excuse me for knowing how it works.
Pathetic.

[Thesbijean]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:09pm

Sure, it would be nice if they said "Tonight, we are only gonna have 16 tickets for the lottery"

Guess what? I would bet $100 that some idiot would complain later that night on this very board about that as well.

[instant karma]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:09pm

Aren't house seats reserved for friends and family of the cast? Why is it necessary for the cast to enter the lotto when they have a set number of seats reserved for them?

[Calvin]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:10pm

Here's what the Web site says about the lotto:

Lottery Seats

Prior to each performance of A Chorus Line, patrons will be invited to enter a lottery drawing at the theatre for a limited number of $20 front orchestra seats to that day's performance. The lottery will begin at 5:30 and names will be drawn at random with winners announced at 6:00 for evening performances. The lottery for matinees will begin at 11:30 am and names will be drawn at random with winners announced at 12:00 pm.

Nothing about guaranteeing a certain number of seats. Now, I agree that it would be a little silly to go through the pretense of making a cast member go through the lotto process if it was already predetermined that they were going to get the tickets. It would be much better PR for the show if they just announced the number of tickets available upfront.

On the other hand, it also depends on whether guaranteeing seats for cast members' family and friends is a policy blessed on high or whether it's a rogue employee running the lottery violating the set policy. But I don't know that, and neither, I gather, does anyone else here.

And no stake at all here -- I virtually never do lottery anymore because it's just not an efficient way for me to get tickets.

[Thesbijean]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:10pm

House seats cost $111.25, full price. That's why...

[Born To Reign]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:12pm

I'm not entering my feelings on the whole issue, just because I don't want to get caught in the middle. However, I have been to lotto when it was drawn outside, in plain view of everyone. Granted, it was slow and almost everyone won (and after EVERY name, she asked "how do you pronounce your name, sweetie?") so let's not make assertions about how they do something EVERY time, k?

[WaltSummersPI]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:12pm

I don't think anyone here is arguing the discount (although I bet the public in general certainly would.) But as stated by so many, it's stupid to go through the sham of the lottery for these folks.

[musicalsFan]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:12pm

Yes, someone would be complaining, but I wouldn't.

I tried SRO for Jersey Boys. I was told before I got in line the usual 10 spots was down to 8 because I cast member needed 2 of them. Fine. I wasn't happy about it. But they TOLD me. I appreciated that they were upfront and honest with me.

Integrity. Rare these days.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:13pm

Yes, full prices seats are expensive even for them. they don't make as much as ou think they do, believe me.

For the record, Chorus Line has the most warm, friendly lottery staff I have seen and do not know.

[WaltSummersPI]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:14pm

Because being warm and friendly excuses doing the wrong thing.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:15pm

Por girl didn't do anything wrong! Get that through your head. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it wrong!

I wish Grease had cheaper tickets. Doesn't mean that their ticket prices are wrong.

[Born To Reign]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:16pm

Equity minimum is about $1500 a week, no? That means they make $75k min. After dues, agents, etc (not counting taxes, because we all pay those) they make at least 50k (rounding down). Still way more than I make. And that's minimum. I have as much respect for performers as everyone else here, but this is the profession they chose and most of them probably feel lucky to be doing what they love. Let's not pretend they're forced at gunpoint to do what they do and make what they make.

[Thesbijean]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 2:17pm

I think the problem with this board sometimes is that people just assume they know how things work on Broadway, when in actuality, they have absolutely no idea. They see, for instance, that the AEA minimum salary is $1465, so, they assume that ALL Broadway actors are making more than $1500 a week, and that their apartments are just filled with $100 bills.

NOT TRUE. Take out 10% for agent (sometimes more for a manager), plus pension, healthcare, etc, plus they have to pay their yearly AEA dues, it adds up. There are TONS of Broadway performaers I know who end up netting less than $1000 a week sometimes.