A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged- Page 6

[Fosse76]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 3:50pm

"And again, no one's arguing that they shouldnt've been entitled to that. All anyone is saying is that if ten tickets were only being offered that night, then the people running the lotto should've made that known beforehand."

What makes you entitled to know that information? Unlike a state lottery, you do not actually pay to enter. As I said above, the person running the lottery decides whether or not they are going to help out a cast member. Contrary to popular belief, they are not "rigging" the lotto to spite you. They are trying to be nice by helping out a cast member. And they are trying to be discrete about it. The only reason people know a cast member was even there is because someone is familiar with the cast.

[ben4]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 3:54pm

It's possible, but I really find it unlikely that only 20-25 people were there and Ava and his/her partner were the only ones turned away.

I prefer to believe Ava when he/she says that 20 tickets were given away. And I think an estimate of 30-35 people there for the lotto sounds reasonable. That means that 10-15 people were still turned away in exchange for the 10 alleged group of cheaters.

In any case, this is all besides the point. Sure lottos are a benefit that the productions don't have to offer (Curtains, i'm lookin at you!), but that doesn't change the fact that they really aren't picnics.

It's not like the clock strikes 5 and I think, "I have nothing to do tonight, maybe I'll go kill an hour or 2 waiting outside for Chorus Line tickets."

Also, would anyone had really noticed, or even cared, had this been 2 tickets we were talking about and not 10. Let's face it, Porter/Parcells got greedy.

And I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a fair lotto.


"What makes you entitled to know that information?"

I'm entitled to that info because I'm going to pay 25-50 bucks to see this show. Maybe that's not a lot to you, but for me the lottos and the rushes are the only way I'm able to see anything on broadway. So yes, and I feel entitled to know if I'm getting screwed over. If that means I have betrayed the american theater than soo be it.
Updated On: 6/27/07 at 03:54 PM

[ashers2u]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 3:57pm

whatever- in my opinion, this is not a big deal. so what-- it's a "lotto" but they allow cast members to sometimes get a friend or family member a ticket. ACL is not the only show that this happens at...in fact, it's pretty much all shows with lottos. give me a break..when someone is on bway, that's probably a HUGE deal to them, and close friends and family members NEED to be there to see them for sure!! Not everyone can afford these horrendous ticket prices anymore...and yes, even if a cast member's mom could afford the balcony price, why should she have to see her daughter making their bway debut from the crappy last row? i understand how it could be frustrating to you, as a lotto player, if your chances of winning are lowered because it is rigged...but the real problem lies within the fact that cast members have crappy options as far as getting tickets for their friends/family. so let's just let it go...it's really not a big deal and im glad that cast members' friends and families will be able to burst with pride from the FRONT ROW!!

[bjh2114]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 3:58pm

"I really find it unlikely that only 20-25 people were there...And I think an estimate of 30-35 people there for the lotto sounds reasonable. That means that 10-15 people were still turned away in exchange for the 10 alleged group of cheaters."

Um, why do you think this? This is exactly what I mean. You have no idea what you're talking about. The last two times I did lotto for ACL everybody in line won, and the time before that everybody except for 3 people won. Don't make assumptions!

[ben4]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:00pm

"Um, why do you think this? This is exactly what I mean. You have no idea what you're talking about."

I'm basing it off of Ava's original. Perhaps he/she is lying, but I don't know.

And you're right. This isn't really a big deal, but it's interesting to talk about and it's keeping me from thinking about food.

[Flaunt It]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:02pm

Well Ms. Porter will soon be gone from the cast. Problem solved!

[bjh2114]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:04pm

Nowhere in Ava's original post did he/she mention how many people were there. I was asking why you assumed there to be 30-35 people there when it's totally plausible if not probable that there were only about 25.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:05pm

"I'm entitled to that info because I'm going to pay 25-50 bucks to see this show."

Not if you don't win you're not, so what is your point. If you had to pay in advance, then you have a point. But you don't pay in advance. You pay if you win. And lotteries are gimmicks now anyway. It has nothing to do with affordable tickets. If you lose the lottery, you might be inclined to purchase a full-price ticket (or at least go to tkts). It happens a lot.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:08pm

*oops, I posted before I finished...

You'd be surprised at how many people who sign up for the lottery were actually sent there by the box office first. At any rate, you are making no real investment in participating in the lottery, so you are not entitled to know how many seats they are making available.

[ben4]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:15pm

"I was asking why you assumed there to be 30-35 people there when it's totally plausible if not probable that there were only about 25."- BJH

It's not plausible, since it would mean that only 5 people were turned away. Meaning only 10-15 people actually showed up for the lottery (not counting the group of ten cheaters).

You said the lottery's been about 20-25 people showing, therefore I figured that night 30-35 people showed up (20-25 for the lottery, 10 with Porter/Parcells).


"Not if you don't win you're not, so what is your point. If you had to pay in advance, then you have a point."-Fosse

You're ridiculously absurd. Just because I haven't paid already doesn't mean that I'm not entitled to be treated fairly, simply because I've commited myself to paying if I win.

This is a very elitist type attitude. The rich are entitled to fair and equal treatment, while the poor are expected to scrounge desperately in hopes that they'll be flicked a crumb from the dinner table of the wealthy.

I'm sorry, but I was unaware that I gave up my rights as a US citizen the minute I entered the Chorus Line lottery. I should be so thankful that they even let me come there every night for two hours while I watch Ms. Porter and her friends win tickets.

Y'know they don't have to offer the lotto, It's a PRivelEDGe.

[HBBrock]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:18pm

Is this thread helping or hurting The Chorus Line by making people so sick of hearing about it that they don't wanna go.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:19pm

It's possible, but I really find it unlikely that only 20-25 people were there and Ava and his/her partner were the only ones turned away.

Really? Because I tried the ACL lotto and I was one of the only people that went away empty-handed. Everyone else was paired up with someone that won. And for the record, no cast members had entered the lotto that night.

Updated On: 6/27/07 at 04:19 PM

[bjh2114]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:21pm

Didn't realize you were counting the Parcells/Porter clan in the 30-35. I wasn't counting them in my 20-25, I was talking about the normal people.

That being said Ben, I think you are being slightly dramatic in response to Fosse. Technically he's right. What gives you the RIGHT to know anyting? That's not a right at all. And declaring yourself a U.S. Citizen as justification is just foolish. You just sound like a drama queen.

Anyway, it's been fun folks, but your foolish way of thinking surrounding the politics of Broadway has tired me. I am going to nap now.
Updated On: 6/27/07 at 04:21 PM

[WaltSummersPI]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:23pm

"Technically he's write." - bjh

Post of the day.

[ben4]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:24pm

"Didn't realize you were counting the Parcells/Porter clan in the 30-35. I wasn't counting them in my 20-25, I was talking about the normal people."

Let's just call it an even 20-35 and be done with it. Anyways, I always enjoy debating Broadway politics and I hoped you enjoyed my sarcasm. I would've had a very boring afternoon if it were not for this.

[JRybka]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:24pm

this is why i go to tdf for my tickets... at least i know it is going to a good cause... and i dont have to deal with these whinny losers who won't spend more then a few bucks for seats. Like they feel they are OWED the tickets.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:26pm

"I'm sorry, but I was unaware that I gave up my rights as a US citizen the minute I entered the Chorus Line lottery."

What rights would those be? I am not aware of any Article of the Constitution nor any Amendments that give you the right to know the number of lottery tickets available at A Chorus Line. Nor do I know of any Article of the Constitution nor any Amendments that give you the right to win the lottery.

[ben4]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:30pm

"I am not aware of any Article of the Constitution nor any Amendments that give you the right to know the number of lottery tickets available at A Chorus Line."

Did you not know that Thomas Jefferson was a huge ACL fanatic??? He made sure that was in the bill of rights, right between the gun one and the freedom of religion thingy.

[Thesbijean]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:33pm

I thought Thomas Jefferson's favorite show was 1776?

[bjh2114]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:34pm

""Technically he's write." - bjh

Post of the day."

HAHA, I told you, I'm tired, lol. Now I am really going to bed.
Thes, that last post gave me a good, needed laugh. Night all.

[WaltSummersPI]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:36pm

From ACL's website:

Lottery Seats

Prior to each performance of A Chorus Line, patrons will be invited to enter a lottery drawing at the theatre for a limited number of $20 front orchestra seats to that day's performance. The lottery will begin at 5:30 and names will be drawn at random with winners announced at 6:00 for evening performances. The lottery for matinees will begin at 11:30 am and names will be drawn at random with winners announced at 12:00 pm.

BTW, Telecharge does indeed specify that 20 tickets are available.

Rush Ticket Lottery:

* 20 tickets will be available per performance for $21.50 each.
* 2 1/2 hours prior to each performance, names will be collected.
* 2 hours prior to each performance, winners will be drawn.
* Limit 2 tickets per winner.
* Winners MUST be present when names are drawn in order to participate.
* Offer is subject to availabilty and prior sale and may be revoked at any time.
* Limit ONE entry per person per performance.
* Name on entry must EXACTLY match the name on winner's valid photo ID.

[ben4]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:40pm

"I thought Thomas Jefferson's favorite show was 1776?"

No way, that was Lincoln. Although, he didn't get out to the theater very much.

Y'know, after the incident...

[ben4]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:43pm

"Rush Ticket Lottery:

* 20 tickets will be available per performance for $21.50 each."- Waltsummers


See, if you read the fine print on the website, it says...

"Cast Members and their friends are given top priority and all you poor people can suck it!"

Don't believe me, just go take a look for yourself.

[allofmylife]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:45pm

There MAY be some sort of actionable case here if they rig the lottery. Maybe a misdemeanor, probably a solid case for a class action suit.

But it's sad that cast members have to resort to such subtrafuge.

[JRybka]

Posted: 6/27/07 at 4:45pm

No but BEN since you only read what you want to did you notice it does say...


* Offer is subject to availabilty and prior sale and may be revoked at any time.