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#26

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

So, over the course of this trip, you went from thinking the musical was one of the best of the decade to being overrated?

And you decided that a year and a half later, you were going to share this with us?
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#28

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

Its not overrated. Its pretty much the exact opposite. Although I think its far from being the best show to ever be created, its still a very moving piece of musical theater. The music is prolly the strongest aspect, very few scores have made me have a tear well up in several scenes.
"Life in theater is give and take...but you need to be ready to give more then you take..."
#31

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

How old is the OP? He keeps posting about shows I'm sure he's never seen or has no idea about.
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
#33

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

Or he's figuring out how to make a long distance call figure into his budget.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#36

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

He did claim to not even know what Steel Pier was about.

I say he's 13. And I mean the bad kind, like the one that played at the Jacobs.
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
#39

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

I only checked out this thread because I also happen to think "Caroline..." is the best show in the last decade (or more). I also think it's a challenging piece that requires some effort on the part of the audience to appreciate its many levels, which is not why everyone goes to the theater these days. That's okay....different strokes for different folks. But I don't think it's overrated, because its complexity doesn't overshadow its resonance or effectiveness.

I saw the BW production several times, including the final performance, and I found it a profoundly moving experience every time, which is why I kept going back. I appreciate that shows like "Caroline...." might not be to everyone's taste, but that doesn't take anything away from what the authors accomplished with this gem.
#41

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

The OP starts 10 million threads per week, I personally don't mind because I think threads like this are hilariously enjoyable.
Scratch and claw for every day you're worth! Make them drag you screaming from life, keep dreaming You'll live forever here on earth.
#44

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

Yes, he does. Now he's under the new name, "immabroadwaylegend" please go to his patti lupone thread.

I don't understand how someone could be such an obvious troll.
Scratch and claw for every day you're worth! Make them drag you screaming from life, keep dreaming You'll live forever here on earth.
#46

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

Treating this thread as a real topic, I have a confession to make. When I saw Caroline in LA, with the original cast, after the first 10 minutes, I thought there was absolutely no way I would last past intermission. The opening was so dissonant that it really made me think I would hate the show.

I don't know when I went from "hate" to "like," but I know I went from "like" to "wow" during Lot's Wife. That was one of the most mesmerizing moments of theater I've ever seen.

I think, for it to be a success, Caroline must have a very strong combination of directing and acting. For the most part, the songs are not the most audience-friendly and it's a complicated story with a rather unlikeable protagonist. Without an actress who can convey both Caroline's rage and pain, I think the show would fail.

#47

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

I love Caroline, or Change. It's absolutely underrated. I know reasonably intelligent theater-goers who say something like "oh that show with the singing appliances" and try to change the subject as soon as possible. If that's really all you can remember about Caroline, or Change, I tend to believe you didn't actually see the show. Great score, great book, and an excellent Broadway production.
#48

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

Re-posting my response to your previous thread:

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Does anyone else think Book of Mormon is overrated?

Posted On:6/11/11 at 09:21


The word "overrated" is overrated.

It's always easy to to take the Hot New Thing that everyone likes and assume a contrary position: "Wow," you think, "I'm so much SMARTER than everybody else! They're just sheep, followers, unable to think for themselves, while I am different, a maverick."

But, in the end really, contrarianism is just knee-jerk contradiction: If the masses love Wicked, all you have do is say, "You know, it really isn't very good, actually." Or if Glee becomes a runaway hit, you simply turn the conversation to the Auto-tuning or the jumps in logic. Or you use the word in question: If someone tells you they love something, you simply say, "It's overrated" and voila! You're smarter than they are!

But are you really? No. You're just being facile. There are, of course, always flaws that can be discussed, but neither "I love it" or "It's overrated" gets anywhere near the heart of the flaws or the positive attributes. (Plus, if you care, saying "It's overrated" to someone who loves something invariably brands you as an asshole.)

Much more interesting, especially in a case like this--a blockbuster hit that has appeal far outside the regular theater-going audience--are points like the ones Tazber brought up: If this musical fits into the successful template that Parker and Stone have used for their TV show and movies, how does it work in a musical? If the songs and musical numbers are written to be satirical, do they also work as songs and musical numbers? And if the characters are written satirically, do they just remain cartoons or do we end up caring about them anyway?

But beware of asking a contentless question like this thread title: "Does anyone else think X is overrated?" That's just Easy Cynicism looking for validation. Easy Cynicism is the opposite of Smart. Easy Cynicism makes you bitter--and old before your time.

And it's vastly overrated.

Read more: https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.php?page=2&thread=1033000&boardname=&boardid=1#ixzz1P4mxk7fu

#49

Anyone else find Caroline, Or Change is overrated?

I will say, Caroline or Change is the only show I have ever fallen asleep at. All I remember from the show is Anika Noni Rose (even that is an impression, a good one though. I have grow to appreciate the song Lot's Wife afterwards though. It was probably above me though. I admit, I didn't get it.

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