Broadway Real Estate/Marquis Theatre

[fashionguru_23]

Posted: 5/20/17 at 6:48pm

I'm rewatching the great videos on www.spotlightonbroadway.com about all of the Broadway theatres, and watching the Marquis Theatre video got me thinking...

Do you think if the 5 theatres (the original Helen Hayes, the Morosco, the Bijou, and remnants of the Astor and the Gaiety) remained standing, do you think the Broadway community would be any different/ would there be a need for them? Would we have seen some of those "rumored" shows wanting to come to Broadway

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/20/17 at 7:10pm

no but in order to analyze this in detail you need to do 2 things: first, assess how and to what extent those theatres were being used, could be used etc., and second assess what "rumored" shows were actually more than rumors,i.e., people and dollars in place etc.) and that would be a fit. Shows are always aspiring to Broadway; most never make it and rumors don't pay bills. It is very tempting to imagine though. 

[TNick926]

Posted: 5/21/17 at 1:18am

Updated On: 5/21/17 at 01:18 AM

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 5/21/17 at 1:47am

And here I was thinking this was going to be a thread about the possible openings of theatres for next season. 

[Cesare2]

Posted: 5/21/17 at 1:11pm

I don't think the Hellinger would have become the Times Square Church.  The Astor and Gaiety were already no longer being used as theaters.  The Bijou had lost space years ago to adjacent buildings and for its last years was really an off-Broadway house.  Even in its somewhat dilapidated shape, the Morosco continued to be booked -- often with prestige productions -- to the very end.  I think saving the Morosco and old Hayes -- there was talk for a time about building the new hotel over them -- would have worked out better in the long-run than building the Marquis.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/21/17 at 1:16pm

Cesare2 said: "  I think saving the Morosco and old Hayes -- there was talk for a time about building the new hotel over them -- would have worked out better in the long-run than building the Marquis."

I think that's very true, especially with hindsight The Bijou never really "recovered"  from its years as a TV studio; I'm pretty sure CBS bailed on it because it wasn't worth fixing. In total, I think the 5 were really more like 2.5 theatres that were lost. 

[Jarethan]

Posted: 5/21/17 at 2:22pm

I think it was not even 2 1/2.  It was 2.  The Morocco and the Helen Hayes.  

I experienced the single greatest evening in the theatre in my life at the Morocco.  It was The Moon for the Misbegotten with Colleen Dewhurst, Jason Robards, and Ed Flanders.  So the theatre will always be special to me.  Also saw the original The Price, the original Butley, Julie Harris in at least three shows that I can think of (In Praise of Love, 40 Carats, and And Miss Reardon Drinks a Little), Edward Albee's most under appreciated play, The Lady from Dubuque with Irene Worth), Da, Comden and Green, Pulitzer winning The Shadow Box, and quite a few others.  It was one of the playhouses that was always in demand.  But, truth be told, it was possibly the ugliest and most uncomfortable theatre on Broadway, so I have great memories, but don't miss it as a theatre.

The Helen Hayes, on the other hand, was a jewel box.  I used to love to see shows at the theatre because it was so intimate and just beautiful, starting with its facade.  I saw my first show ever there...Mary Mary; and, while I was too young to enjoy it (I think I was 13), I still have vivid memories of that day.  

I had some great moments in the Helen Hayes that I will also always cherish, The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, The Royal Family, Hadrian VII, 6 Rms Riv Vu, Crown Matrimonial, The Crucifer of Blood, A Touch of the Poet, and the list too goes on.  

The issue that I always have when this topic comes up is that the Broadway time period during which these theatres were torn down was pretty awful.  Times Square at night was almost deserted other than 7:30 to 8, and it was never that crowded then, since so many theatres were empty a lot of the time.  The Marquis was just one of the things that contributed to the re-birth and health of the theatre district.  And the drive towards musicals meant that the smaller straight play theatres would have been harder to fill.  While I can think of two musicals the Hayes had, both were very small. 

So, on balance, I miss both theatres, but much prefer the health and liveliness of the Broadway today vs. the period when they were torn down.  I also miss the Mark Hellinger a lot more.

The thing I actually miss the most about change in the area is the closing of all the great movie theaters.  When those live theatres were torn down, there were still movie theatres with vibrant marquees operating in the same general vicinity.  Perfection for me would be some of those theatres to still be operating with their gaudy marquees and continuous performances.  If I could have one or the other, I would do without the Morocco and Hayes in order to have the NY Paramount and Loews' State and Capitol and Rivoli.  I personally think their loss was worse than the Morocco and Hayes.

[phantomcrazy14]

Posted: 5/21/17 at 10:21pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/keithyorkcity.wordpress.com/2013/01/11/the-great-theatre-massacre-of-1982-five-broadway-stages-faced-the-wrecking-ball-for-a-marriott/amp/

not sure if I posted this link right, but this thread lead me to do a google image search for some of the theatres and I stumbled upon this post which is very interesting to someone who never saw these theatres in their lifetime