Chenoweth dropped from Christian Women Conference — Page 3

"I just called the CWC headquarters and the person I spoke to said that Kristen was not dropped from the program because of her beliefs but rather for having anything at all to do with the movie BEWITCHED."

hehe... good one! Not to mention Wicked, Running With Scissors and Dusty!

oh and that post on the WOF board... priceless! When I first saw their reactions to her appearance in Columbus, I wanted to post 'YEAH BURN HER!' but for some reason, I decided to let them all by their holier-than-thou selves... For what it's worth, you're probably the first person on the entire WOF board to spell her name correctly in one sitting! A star for you, deputy!

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Sadly, probably like a lot of the posts that suddenly disapper from Talkin' Broadway's All That Chat...I have a feeling it will disappear in a few.

Updated On: 9/15/05 at 06:13 PM

No, the Bible does not address gay relationships. If it truly does address homosexuality, it might be addressing sex.

But, while in the instances that the current Bible seems to address homosexuality, it was, in fact, addressing rape, inhospitality and pedophilia.

Bad translations. Bias.

And remember that the only verse that may seem to be definitely about homosex (Lev) is surrounded by MANY laws none of you follow and would laugh if someone were to tell you that you should.

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Defying . . .

Went to the site. I almost wanted to cry, and then I started to get pissed. Now I need a drink.

It's time for Kristin to team up with the fantastic Tammy Faye Starlite, perhaps on a duet version of "God's a Hard Habit to Break."
That's "l-i-t-e," like the beverage

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I'm a fan of Kristin, now I'm a huge fan, it's so great that she stood up for what she thought was right!

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I've been reading through that 'women of faith' message board, and in one of the posts someone linked to a thread from this site. I would LOVE to be around if any of those women start nosing around on this board - talk about goin' to hell!

I usually try to stay out of the theological debates here because of my unique position (Catholic school teacher), but I wanted to address a couple of comments made much earlier in the thread. Keep in mind, these comments apply only to the teachings of the Catholic church. I don't pretend to speak for any other Christian faiths.

The Catholic Church does indeed teach that the act of homosexual sex is wrong. However, this is not an ex-cathedra teaching, meaning one you can be excommunicated for. It is (like other hot button issues such as abortion) an interpretation of certain church laws. It's a "law" handed down from various Popes, who've all interpreted certain aspects of the scripture a certain way. However, it is not a law that is not open to amending, like certain other church laws. For example, you could be excommunicated for not recognizing Christ as the Messiah, or not believing in the mystery of the Trinity, not believing the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ...you get the idea. Those are all issues MUCH more important than the one of gay rights. They're laws and beliefs (most of the time) that come either directly from Christ, or are fundamental pillars of the religion. Other church laws and teachings are open for debate and interpretation. For instance, I know plenty of Catholics who are in favor of gay rights and other social issues (again, like abortion). Most Catholics, myself included, do not accept EVERY single one of the church's teachings, nor do you have to be considered a "good" (such a subjective term anyway) Catholic. The unique thing about many of these laws is they are subject to change, with the exception of Canon Law (and nowhere in Canon Law is there anything about gay rights, abortion, or any other "social" issue right now. Different leaders have interpreted parts of Canon Law to suit their own beliefs, but they are far from the definitive authority on such matters.

I hope what I wrote makes some sense, and I didn't come across as snotty sounding.

People forget that not all Christians are political and social conservatives. Martin Luther King and Bishop Desmond Tutu based their calls for radical social change on their interpretation of Christian principles. They definitely would not then or now, be considered conservative.

The Bible is literature and literature is interpreted. If someone wants to justify persecution of gay people, they will find something in the Bible that they feel justifies it.

And of course over the centuries, many evils have been justified by using the bible. Slavery, subjugation of women and so on.

I laughed when someone responded to my post with " A christian stands up for what the bible says"

Well heres one , "Love thy Nieghbour" So end of story.

Updated On: 9/15/05 at 09:01 PM

Just saying "Love thy neighbor" isn't good enough because many right wing Christians always counter that statement with one saying that they don't hate gay people. They simply hate their "sinful" lifestyles. Ugh!

Those Christians who feel that right wing Christians are wrong on this issue, have to challenge them theologically. Too many Christians who are moderate or liberal on gay issues, refuse to get down and engage in hard-nosed debate.

They do as many people on these boards. They just get all huffy and dismissive of consevative Christians. They dismiss them as stupid bigots that aren't worth the trouble of talking to unless it's to fling weak platitudes at them. That's not good enough. There's plenty of Christian theology that could support gay rights. But most people are to lazy to be bothered.

Updated On: 9/15/05 at 09:29 PM

Frankly, my only interest in Christian ideology is in how it is very inappropriately being used to formulate civil law. What people choose to believe is their own business, but it - or ANY religion - has NO business being used as a foundation for societal structure.