Chenoweth dropped from Christian Women Conference- Page 3

[AuditioningWaitress]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 6:06pm

Another thanks for the link Defying...It is sad that some organizations are completely narrow-mined and don't embrace differences.

[Gelfling]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 6:08pm

"I just called the CWC headquarters and the person I spoke to said that Kristen was not dropped from the program because of her beliefs but rather for having anything at all to do with the movie BEWITCHED."

hehe... good one! Not to mention Wicked, Running With Scissors and Dusty!

oh and that post on the WOF board... priceless! When I first saw their reactions to her appearance in Columbus, I wanted to post 'YEAH BURN HER!' but for some reason, I decided to let them all by their holier-than-thou selves... For what it's worth, you're probably the first person on the entire WOF board to spell her name correctly in one sitting! A star for you, deputy!

[ShuQ]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 6:11pm

Is that Bewitched comment a pun, Gelfling?

[AuditioningWaitress]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 6:13pm

Sadly, probably like a lot of the posts that suddenly disapper from Talkin' Broadway's All That Chat...I have a feeling it will disappear in a few.
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[XOsweet_dancerOX]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 6:15pm

that is quite stupid to make her not perform. WOF is provincial. God does love all people and well she should be able to do it. this makes me quite upset. This just goes to show not all christians can be nice...

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 6:22pm

No, the Bible does not address gay relationships. If it truly does address homosexuality, it might be addressing sex.

But, while in the instances that the current Bible seems to address homosexuality, it was, in fact, addressing rape, inhospitality and pedophilia.

Bad translations. Bias.

And remember that the only verse that may seem to be definitely about homosex (Lev) is surrounded by MANY laws none of you follow and would laugh if someone were to tell you that you should.

[Gelfling]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 6:45pm

Bewitched a pun? could be! I think the movie's a joke in itself but I seriously saw posts by people who said their friends were saying Kristin could not 'really' be Christian because she had been in a play and a movie about witches...

yeah... right... I hope for her sake she doesn't read Harry Potter too or she may be facing a whole new thing!

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 6:52pm

Defying . . .

Went to the site. I almost wanted to cry, and then I started to get pissed. Now I need a drink.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:14pm

My problem with Christians is that so many of them don't realize that in America, not everyone is a Christian.
I understand what you mean and compltely agree. Someone at my church was talking about all the televangelists wanting God to take back America and his response was "I don't think God wants America back."


And remember that the only verse that may seem to be definitely about homosex (Lev) is surrounded by MANY laws none of you follow and would laugh if someone were to tell you that you should.
Actually, the first immediately following it says that a woman should not approach an animal to have sex with it. Hopefully everyone here follows that one.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:15pm

It's time for Kristin to team up with the fantastic Tammy Faye Starlite, perhaps on a duet version of "God's a Hard Habit to Break."
That's "l-i-t-e," like the beverage

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:15pm

lol--ok u got me there, but you know what I mean

Reclaiming America for God or Jesus is anti-American.

[WickedGeek28]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:31pm

I'm a fan of Kristin, now I'm a huge fan, it's so great that she stood up for what she thought was right!

[hot_brdwy_diva]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:35pm

I never understood the "You can't watch/read this because it contains spells and witchcraft in it" thing. I remember when I used to go to church alot and they would condemn Harry Potter as being evil and pretty much anything fictional that involved magic.

...and then they have a sermon comparing Star Wars and Jesus.

Selective beliefs.

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:39pm

I've been reading through that 'women of faith' message board, and in one of the posts someone linked to a thread from this site. I would LOVE to be around if any of those women start nosing around on this board - talk about goin' to hell!

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:44pm

I saw that too and it was a bit disconcerting. What was really pathetic was when they started quoting someone's post about what Kristin as her own words, then turned around and attacked her for it.

[adamgreer]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:47pm

I usually try to stay out of the theological debates here because of my unique position (Catholic school teacher), but I wanted to address a couple of comments made much earlier in the thread. Keep in mind, these comments apply only to the teachings of the Catholic church. I don't pretend to speak for any other Christian faiths.

The Catholic Church does indeed teach that the act of homosexual sex is wrong. However, this is not an ex-cathedra teaching, meaning one you can be excommunicated for. It is (like other hot button issues such as abortion) an interpretation of certain church laws. It's a "law" handed down from various Popes, who've all interpreted certain aspects of the scripture a certain way. However, it is not a law that is not open to amending, like certain other church laws. For example, you could be excommunicated for not recognizing Christ as the Messiah, or not believing in the mystery of the Trinity, not believing the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ...you get the idea. Those are all issues MUCH more important than the one of gay rights. They're laws and beliefs (most of the time) that come either directly from Christ, or are fundamental pillars of the religion. Other church laws and teachings are open for debate and interpretation. For instance, I know plenty of Catholics who are in favor of gay rights and other social issues (again, like abortion). Most Catholics, myself included, do not accept EVERY single one of the church's teachings, nor do you have to be considered a "good" (such a subjective term anyway) Catholic. The unique thing about many of these laws is they are subject to change, with the exception of Canon Law (and nowhere in Canon Law is there anything about gay rights, abortion, or any other "social" issue right now. Different leaders have interpreted parts of Canon Law to suit their own beliefs, but they are far from the definitive authority on such matters.

I hope what I wrote makes some sense, and I didn't come across as snotty sounding.

[Gelfling]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 7:55pm

not at all... thanks for your post. I agree with you that there are obviously many ways to interpret the Bible and some of the most violent passages are outdated by a few centuries now but for some reason, some Christians hang on to them for dear life.

I wish more people would come out against it but obviously those not in the majority get shut out for fear they would actually make sense and others would start thinking like them.

[TennesseeTwang]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 8:27pm

People forget that not all Christians are political and social conservatives. Martin Luther King and Bishop Desmond Tutu based their calls for radical social change on their interpretation of Christian principles. They definitely would not then or now, be considered conservative.

The Bible is literature and literature is interpreted. If someone wants to justify persecution of gay people, they will find something in the Bible that they feel justifies it.

And of course over the centuries, many evils have been justified by using the bible. Slavery, subjugation of women and so on.

[StephanietheStar]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 8:44pm

wait a minute----what are these publicized comments she made??

"God accepts all people"???

THE HORROR!!!!


lmao...
I can't even believe the stupid **** these "christians" come up with...

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[DefyingEDCT]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 9:01pm

I laughed when someone responded to my post with " A christian stands up for what the bible says"

Well heres one , "Love thy Nieghbour" So end of story.
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Posted: 9/15/05 at 9:06pm

Actually Defying, that really isn't one of the Commandments - but it should be.

[TennesseeTwang]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 9:29pm

Just saying "Love thy neighbor" isn't good enough because many right wing Christians always counter that statement with one saying that they don't hate gay people. They simply hate their "sinful" lifestyles. Ugh!

Those Christians who feel that right wing Christians are wrong on this issue, have to challenge them theologically. Too many Christians who are moderate or liberal on gay issues, refuse to get down and engage in hard-nosed debate.

They do as many people on these boards. They just get all huffy and dismissive of consevative Christians. They dismiss them as stupid bigots that aren't worth the trouble of talking to unless it's to fling weak platitudes at them. That's not good enough. There's plenty of Christian theology that could support gay rights. But most people are to lazy to be bothered.
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[Calvin]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 9:31pm

"I've been shown passages in the Old testament were it is very clear that God does indeed condemn homosexual realationships"

Look again. You'll find most of them are about promiscuity and/or rape, not about a monogamous homosexual relationship. Unless you're reading a bad translation. Which is most of them.

Posted: 9/15/05 at 9:37pm

Frankly, my only interest in Christian ideology is in how it is very inappropriately being used to formulate civil law. What people choose to believe is their own business, but it - or ANY religion - has NO business being used as a foundation for societal structure.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 9/15/05 at 9:50pm

And if you take the lowest level theology class you learn that there was a king(Someone, I mean, it was like 10 years ago) that preferred the company of men. He was commissioned to do a biblical translation. To stay in the favor of the church, he added details of homosexuality. I can't remember details, but I swear it's out there.

I am sure it has been said, but according to the current translations that christians follow, Christ associated with tax collectors(criminals) and prostitutes. And why would God create gay people if it was a sin? Being gay is not always apparent from childhood, but it often is.

When I went to prom, I wanted a date that would dance. Since I couldn't take a girl, I invited a guy I went to church with. He was a queer as a football bat. EVERYONE knew, except him. It's been 10 years now. He stayed completely active in church. He taught at church camps. He tried so hard to be straight. A few months ago he finally married. He and his wife remained virgins until they wed. Three weeks later his young wife left him. They never consummated the marraige. He was finally able to admit he wasn't attracted to women. No one ever tried harder. No one has more faith than he. And he is still gay. You can't tell me it is a choice. And God supposedly loves all of His children... So, where is the problem these horrid women have?

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