#26
Posted: 7/12/11 at 1:15pm
Just so everyone is aware Gvendo is bitter at davenport for screwing him by not taking his "urban production" to broadway...... just putting that out there.
GODSPELL Tickets are ALL $125 And There Are No Discounts? I Mean...Really? — Page 2
#27
Posted: 7/12/11 at 1:25pm
Thus far, there's nothing here that stinks like yesterday's fish -- at least not yet.
It's fair to say he may have overreached in setting his ticket prices. But then again, $125 as a top price for a musical is not unusual and having only a single price in Circle is not unusual either. So it could easily be argued the other way.
It's fair to say that his open call was more of a publicity stunt than a legitimate attempt to secure actors for the show and that's why it was done so bare bones. But I'd bet that at least some of those folks get proper callbacks and perhaps even one or more of them end up in the show at some point if it runs or tours. So maybe it's cheap, but it doesn't stink.
It's fair to say that he may not yet have raised all of his money and is therefore calling back existing investors to see if they would be willing to increase their investment. Not uncommon at all. Unfortunate, and some might say desperate, but not even remotely unusual.
Why do you (seem to) have such a strong beef with Davenport? There's really nothing here that is really as grossly egregious as you make it out to be.
It's fair to say he may have overreached in setting his ticket prices. But then again, $125 as a top price for a musical is not unusual and having only a single price in Circle is not unusual either. So it could easily be argued the other way.
It's fair to say that his open call was more of a publicity stunt than a legitimate attempt to secure actors for the show and that's why it was done so bare bones. But I'd bet that at least some of those folks get proper callbacks and perhaps even one or more of them end up in the show at some point if it runs or tours. So maybe it's cheap, but it doesn't stink.
It's fair to say that he may not yet have raised all of his money and is therefore calling back existing investors to see if they would be willing to increase their investment. Not uncommon at all. Unfortunate, and some might say desperate, but not even remotely unusual.
Why do you (seem to) have such a strong beef with Davenport? There's really nothing here that is really as grossly egregious as you make it out to be.
"No matter how much you want the part, never let 'em see you sweat." -- Old Dry Idea commercial
#28
Posted: 7/12/11 at 2:11pm
The whole thing would be grossly egregious coming from a Nederlander or a Shubert, so why are we giving Davenport a pass on that long list of people who are about to lose their shirts, including some churches, non-profit corporations, and original cast members of Godspell? And while Davenport didn't take my production to Broadway, other opportunities have since opened up for it in regional venues, so I hold no enmity or contempt toward him. Just a shake of my head over his silliness.
I want to make it clear -- if he does wind up going to jail, I'll be the first person standing in line to bail him out. We need people who are sincere in their desire to make theater happen on this scene. That said, this insanity isn't going to open any doors for him; his bio says he worked at Livent for three years. Somehow, knowing that he worked with Garth Drabinsky means that this situation doesn't totally surprise me anymore.
I want to make it clear -- if he does wind up going to jail, I'll be the first person standing in line to bail him out. We need people who are sincere in their desire to make theater happen on this scene. That said, this insanity isn't going to open any doors for him; his bio says he worked at Livent for three years. Somehow, knowing that he worked with Garth Drabinsky means that this situation doesn't totally surprise me anymore.
"There is no problem so big that it cannot be run away from."
~ Charles M. Schulz
Updated On: 7/12/11 at 02:11 PM
#29
Posted: 7/12/11 at 2:53pm
Chiming in here, against my better judgement.
Question 1: Why are people upset at the ticket prices, when the last show in that theatre had the same prices but was a straight play with a smaller cast? Discount codes are RARELY released the day tickets go on sale to the general public.
Question 2: What is this madness about people saying Davenport is going to dip into the ticket sales money when that is IMPOSSIBLE. Even the idea of him using the cash sales from the Box Office is impossible since the box office is not open yet.
Question 3: Why are people pissed at Davenport? Is it because he is doing something new/different? Because he is taking smaller investments than usually seen at the Broadway level (even most off-Broadway)? None of what he is doing is against the law so what is this talk of him going to jail? I don't get the hatred people have towards this man.
Question 1: Why are people upset at the ticket prices, when the last show in that theatre had the same prices but was a straight play with a smaller cast? Discount codes are RARELY released the day tickets go on sale to the general public.
Question 2: What is this madness about people saying Davenport is going to dip into the ticket sales money when that is IMPOSSIBLE. Even the idea of him using the cash sales from the Box Office is impossible since the box office is not open yet.
Question 3: Why are people pissed at Davenport? Is it because he is doing something new/different? Because he is taking smaller investments than usually seen at the Broadway level (even most off-Broadway)? None of what he is doing is against the law so what is this talk of him going to jail? I don't get the hatred people have towards this man.
David walked into the valley
With a stone clutched in his hand
He was only a boy
But he knew someone must take a stand
There will always be a valley
Always mountains one must scale
There will always be perilous waters
Which someone must sail
-Into the Fire
Scarlet Pimpernel
#30
Posted: 7/12/11 at 3:06pm
Gavendo = troll
Nothing he is doing is illegal its the same thing as getting 60 people to invest 100,000 as it is to get 600 to invest 1000. Suck it up he didnt take your production to broadway move on and stop bad mouthing other peoples hard work.
Nothing he is doing is illegal its the same thing as getting 60 people to invest 100,000 as it is to get 600 to invest 1000. Suck it up he didnt take your production to broadway move on and stop bad mouthing other peoples hard work.
#31
Posted: 7/12/11 at 3:17pm
The whole thing would be grossly egregious coming from a Nederlander or a Shubert, so why are we giving Davenport a pass on that long list of people who are about to lose their shirts, including some churches, non-profit corporations, and original cast members of Godspell?
Specifically WHAT would be grossly egregious? Please specify. His choice of ticket prices? His cheap open call? His not having all of the capitalization in 13 weeks before first preview? What are we giving him a pass on?
ALL of these are things that the Shuberts, the Nederlanders and tens of other producers have been guilty of over the years. NONE of these are grossly egregious.
And perhaps most tellingly, NONE of them have solicited such a vitriolic reaction from you.
So my thanks to those who have since clarified the true basis for your over-the-top ranting. In the case of Davenport, there are certainly fair questions to ask, and perhaps even valid criticism to offer. But it's also most helpful to now understand why you're trying to blow this so wildly out of proportion.
Specifically WHAT would be grossly egregious? Please specify. His choice of ticket prices? His cheap open call? His not having all of the capitalization in 13 weeks before first preview? What are we giving him a pass on?
ALL of these are things that the Shuberts, the Nederlanders and tens of other producers have been guilty of over the years. NONE of these are grossly egregious.
And perhaps most tellingly, NONE of them have solicited such a vitriolic reaction from you.
So my thanks to those who have since clarified the true basis for your over-the-top ranting. In the case of Davenport, there are certainly fair questions to ask, and perhaps even valid criticism to offer. But it's also most helpful to now understand why you're trying to blow this so wildly out of proportion.
"No matter how much you want the part, never let 'em see you sweat." -- Old Dry Idea commercial
#32
Posted: 7/12/11 at 6:57pm
very well put "averagebdwynut", something is very strange with all the ranting this individual is posting.
#33
Posted: 7/12/11 at 8:31pm
I would pay $125 to see Godspell. It's one of my favorite shows and I've heard a few things here and there about what this production will entail. I'm thrilled.
"I will not cease from mental fight, nor shall my sword sleep in my hand: Till we have built Jerusalem in England's green and pleasant land."
Updated On: 7/12/11 at 08:31 PM
#34
Posted: 7/12/11 at 8:46pm
This thread is a joke, right?
#35
Posted: 7/12/11 at 10:02pm
I'd pay $125 to see the legal opinion on his offering structure.
#36
Posted: 7/13/11 at 12:45am
Right on, wonkit!
"There is no problem so big that it cannot be run away from."
~ Charles M. Schulz
#37
Posted: 7/13/11 at 1:00am
again how is it any different from taking 10,000 a piece from a small group to taking 1000 a piece from a larger group? its the same thing.......
#38
Posted: 7/13/11 at 1:48am
You're going to pay $125 for some overacting, unnecessary riffing, and scaffolding?
#39
Posted: 7/13/11 at 1:56am
Wrong Jesus show.
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#40
Posted: 7/13/11 at 2:04am
No, no. Sadly, it's the same Jesus show. Mark my words. The show will have bland performances who do that whole "musical theater riffing" thing.
#41
Posted: 7/13/11 at 2:19am
^ wrong
#42
Posted: 7/13/11 at 2:36am
If this production really plans to cast Nick Jonas (I've heard it twice so far with no idea of the veracity of those claims), ticket sales won't be a problem. It will make me not want to see the show, but there will be a stampede of teen girls heading to the theatre.
#43
Posted: 7/13/11 at 2:58am
I've heard a few things about casting and I don't think this will include any Jonas Brothers. Don't hold me to that, but I don't think this will be a Jonas show.
"I will not cease from mental fight, nor shall my sword sleep in my hand: Till we have built Jerusalem in England's green and pleasant land."
#44
Posted: 7/13/11 at 3:20am
thismyshow - the result may be the same mathematically, but from a securities law point of view, most production partnerships qualify as private offerings and do not have to be registered with the SEC. He offers this to the general public, on the internet no less, and a large number of individuals will participate. It's the reason this has never been done this way before. Hence my curiosity about how some law firm figured the angles. Trust me, it's squirrel-y.
#45
Posted: 7/13/11 at 6:01am
thismyshow registered - July 12, 2011. How hard is this to figure out, but since people are apparently having a difficult time perhaps Mr. Davenport will just explain it :)
#46
Posted: 7/13/11 at 6:19am
id check that again I have been registered since FEBRUARY 21ST!
#47
Posted: 7/13/11 at 10:06am
Who would pay anywhere near $125 for GODSPELL? This is madness.
#48
Posted: 7/13/11 at 10:30am
who would pay 142 for front mezz for on a clear blue day?
#49
Posted: 7/13/11 at 10:54am
Oh, yes, I see, since February - good job, Mr. D.
#50
Posted: 7/13/11 at 11:52am
"On A Clear Day" has a star attached and is a full fledged story.
"Godspell" is a bible camp show. No matter how you slice it, it's never going to be this fully emotional experience like other shows can give you.
"Godspell" is a bible camp show. No matter how you slice it, it's never going to be this fully emotional experience like other shows can give you.
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