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#1

Gender Non-Specific Awards

Theater Bay Area (in the San Francisco Bay Area) announced that next season they will eliminate gender specific awards but that two people in each category would be honored.

Thoughts?
#2

Gender Non-Specific Awards

I have always found it weird. It's not like sports. And now that we have lots of gender non-conforming people with high profiles, it seems an obvious shift. That said, I expect crankiness when the awards go one way or another, and also that it will ignite discussion of role imbalances in the plays chosen to be presented.

#3

Gender Non-Specific Awards

An obvious decision and one past-due. As stated, both because excellence in acting isn't tied to gender and there are an increasing number people who should not be forced into either category.

I'm sure there will be remarks about parity if actors who may have been placed in the "male" category in previous years win most awards. But that's worth. Designers have always been mixed (though there are serious parity issues in both awards and the field).

For an example of what a non-issue this is, simply look at the Drama League Award for Distinguished Performance.

#4

Gender Non-Specific Awards

In 2012 the Grammy Awards merged the Pop Male, Pop Female and Solo Instrumental into Pop Solo Performance. They did the same in the Country and R/B categories as well.

#5

Gender Non-Specific Awards

So now the award has to be shared? What if it’s two men or two women? I understand how some people don’t like gender labels, but this is getting silly.
#6

Gender Non-Specific Awards

The Distinctive Baritone said: "What if it’s two men or two women?"

Then it's two men and two women. In that scenario, those two men or two women would have gotten the most votes from the Tony committee and would therefore have won the award fair and square.

As someone mentioned above, I think the biggest potential problem is that we would have too many men winning the awards. However, I would argue that we've reached a point where there are enough strong roles for women each season that there would be a FAIRLY equal division. the way I figure this is by looking at the parallel categories and thinking about who probably would have won out of the two winners. For example, if we look at this past season: Cynthia Nixon would almost certainly have beaten Michael Aronov, I think Rachel Bay Jones probably would've beaten Gavin Creel, and I think Laurie Metcalf probably would've beaten Kevin Kline. Hard to say about Bette vs. Ben, but Bette certainly would've had a shot at it. This is all subjective of course, but that's where I'm coming from with this point.



#7

Gender Non-Specific Awards

The only thing I don't like about the idea is it cuts the number of acting categories in half. So I hope they could introduce some new categories to balance it back out. Maybe separate comedies and dramas like the Golden Globes, or add an ensemble award, or something else.
#8

Gender Non-Specific Awards

NOWaWarning said: "The only thing I don't like about the idea is it cuts the number of acting categories in half. So I hope they could introduce some new categories to balance it back out. Maybe separate comedies and dramas like the Golden Globes, or add an ensemble award, or something else."

That sounds like an interesting idea! "Best Leading/Featured Performance in a Dramatic Role" and "Best Leading/Featured Performance in a Comedic Role". So for this last Tonys it may of have been Bette, David, and Andy for Comedic Lead, and Ben, Eva, Christian, etc for Drama (although the moms probably would've been slightly different to fill out each category, u know).

To me this move makes sense, there's no reason to separate these categories by gender.

#9

Gender Non-Specific Awards

I like the idea of separating them by Comedy/Drama in theory. It makes much more sense to compare actors based on what type of skill set they are demonstrating rather than their gender, and you wouldn't end up with impossibly difficult comparisons like James Corden in 1Man2Guvs winning over Philip Seymour Hoffman in Salesman.

However, I think there are 2 big potential problems:

1. There would likely be a disproportionate number of dramatic performances compared to comedic, especially in the play categories.

2. The line between comedy and drama is often very blurry, particularly in musical theatre.



Another alternative system would be separating actors by revival or original. Doesn't make quite as much sense as comedy/drama because theoretically, whether or not others have played the role in previous productions shouldn't affect the merits of the performance (the actor is portraying the character as they interpret it regardless). But it does affect the way the performance is perceived and evaluated by the public. And it's still less arbitrary than gender.

Updated On: 11/2/17 at 05:20 PM

#10

Gender Non-Specific Awards

Why can’t the categories still be split between Featured and lead?
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#11

Gender Non-Specific Awards

Maybe it's time to drop "Featured" and create the award for Best Supporting Performance.

#12

Gender Non-Specific Awards

Call_me_jorge said: "Why can’t the categories still be split between Featured and lead?"



Unless I missed or misunderstood one of the above posts, I don't think anyone is contesting the Featured/Lead split. Only the gender difference. So you'd still have Featured performance in a play, and leading performance in a play, etc. They just wouldn't be gendered. If they were to split it by comedy/drama, it would:

Best Leading Comedic performance in a Musical

Best Leading Dramatic performance in a Musical

Best Featured Comedic performance in a Musical

Best Featured Dramatic performance in a Musical



And then the same for plays.



EDIT: I also agree with the post above that it should be changed to "supporting" rather than "featured."

Updated On: 11/2/17 at 05:38 PM

#13

Gender Non-Specific Awards

I wasn't until 2015 that the Olivier Awards split out the awards by gender for Featured roles in a musical (and it was oddly inconsistently split for plays onlly in certain years until 2013). In 2004, for Musical, the award went to the every member of the Chorus of Jerry Springer: The Opera for their performance as The Studio Audience. It was rather ingenious.


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#14

Gender Non-Specific Awards

I was posting from my phone yesterday and couldn't easily cut/paste, but here is the text from yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle:

"But it’s another innovation, also announced at the ceremony, that will likely define next year’s event. Theatre Bay Area is nixing the practice of giving separate awards to male and female actors. All acting categories will be “gender nonspecific,” though the organization will still give two awards in each category, to ensure the same number of actors get honored. The progressive move makes much-needed space for transgender actors; more subtly, it’s a call for the industry to stop treating women’s acting contributions as separate from and thus unequal to men’s. Your move, Tony Awards and Oscars!"

#15

Gender Non-Specific Awards

Does it make sense to split the genders in acting nominations or does that make about as much sense as having separate categories for best male director and best female director, best male choreographer and best female choreographer, best male lighting designer and best female lighting designer?

I can see various arguments favoring each side of the debate and don't have a clear opinion.
I'm just asking the question.

But frankly, I think there are much more important gender disparities in the day in day out of the business, including in acting, that require greater remedial attention than gender-specific acting awards.

#16

Gender Non-Specific Awards

Call_me_jorge said: "Why can’t the categories still be split between Featured and lead?"

Is this in response to my post? If so, my apologies, the "Leading/Featured" was supposed to signify that there were two categories for each, so still four acting awards as their is now.

#17

Gender Non-Specific Awards

I’m probably going to get piled on for this but...I still don’t get it, especially since trans actors would, I imagine, be fine with being put in the category of the gender they identify as.

Non-binary people - I’m guessing - make up less than 1 percent of actors. Maybe not in San Francisco, but...Anyway, I’m fully supportive of whatever people want to call themselves, but let’s not go overboard. There are men, and there are women. If someone identifies as one or the other, neither or both, that’s fine with me. But let’s not make the entire restaurant gluten-free just because some people are celiac.

I don’t know. I guess I’m a bad liberal.

#18

Gender Non-Specific Awards

The Distinctive Baritone said: "Non-binary people - I’m guessing - make up less than 1 percent of actors."



yes, and we’d like that to change in the future. And when it hopefully does, we’ll need a new system.

Your restaurant analogy doesn’t follow because gluten free food can co-exist with gluten food. The restaurant can offer both. Gender neutrality and gender non-neutrality cannot exist together in this case. Sometimes it can - a school can provide all-gender bathrooms as well as men’s/women’s bathrooms elsewhere in the school. But the same does not apply to awards categories, unless we get so many non-binary contenders that they can fill heir own category, which likely won’t happen until many years after the first few non-binary actors begin competing for Tonys.

But even if that does happen - notice the other key part of this issue that many people have already mentioned: there is simply no logical reason why female actors’ performances and male actors’ performance should be viewed as so artistically distinct that they cannot compete against each other. It’s completely arbitrary.

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Gender Non-Specific Awards

I find it interesting someone would think the risk of combining them is that the men might win more often. Maybe this reflects a bias of what I like to see when I watch musicals (in particular), but the female leading roles seem consistently more interesting and realized than the male roles.

For example, If we look at the Tony awards for the last 10 years of leading men it’s rather boring. But the list of female performances is remarkable. I’d be more worried that the men are going to be the losers here (at least in terms of musicals).

Female leading musical roles are so much better than male leading roles.


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Updated On: 11/2/17 at 10:31 PM

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