How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

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How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 12:45am

Perhaps I am a little irritated right now. Trying to cope with both Evans and Breaker being robbed of Tony awards.

But how the **** did SOUTH PACIFIC beat out the amazing SUNDAY projections?? W

eren't they the clear favorite, for that??

I just don't get it.

#2

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 12:48am

I don't get it either.

I was really pleased with the outcome of almost every category this evening, but this particular choice was shameful.

"Sunday" should not have gone home empty-handed, ESPECIALLY in this category.

#3

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 12:51am

I mean, how the hell did they overlook the projections? It was so clever.

#4

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 12:57am

They probably just didn't see the show.

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#5

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 12:59am

I feel as though the voters completely forgot about this show and it's really unfortunate when it happens. Such a beautiful revival of this show should not have gone by without better recognition, even if it DOES boast an orchestra of a clarinet, a triangle, and a kazoo.

#6

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 12:59am

that was my main upset with the show.

#7

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:02am

The set design for Sunday in the Park with George consisted of two white walls and some curtains. Yes, the projections do provide some setting details, but they're really not set designs. There is no Tony award for projections. If you want to complain I suppose projections could have been lumped together with lighting and you should complain that it didn't win best lighting design -- not set design.

#8

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:04am

A grave imbalance has occurred.

Shame on you, Tony Voters. Shame on you.

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#9

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:05am

But the projections were determined by committee to be considered Set Design.

And I think SUNDAY's projections certainly count as Set Design. The purpose of a set is to set the place, no? I think the SUNDAY projections did just that, in a beautiful and clever way.

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#10

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:05am

CATSNY: Except the Tony committee ruled that the projections were considered Set Design...

#11

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:07am

I dunno. Maybe because the set design for South Pacific is extraordinarily beautiful and worthy of the award.

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#12

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:07am

thank you, splendoris and wonderfulwizard.

exactly what I was going to post

#13

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:09am

CATSNY: Except the Tony committee ruled that the projections were considered Set Design...

- UM. He completely understands that. Reread his post.

#14

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:12am

I've never seen a theatre design make an audience gasp in awe so many times. At least we'll always remember that.

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#15

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:12am

ljay. YOU need to reread his post.

CATSNY said: "Yes, the projections do provide some setting details, but they're really not set designs."

Incorrect. The Tony voters disagree, which is exactly why it was nominated for Scenic Design.

And according to YOU it wasn't a set design but it is... sweetie.

#16

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:14am

His post doesn't make it sound like he does.

It seems to suggest that Sunday's astounding projections don't count as set and that in judging for that particular award, voters should be considering "two white walls and some curtains".

But as other posters have pointed out, the committee ruled that the projections and animation were to be considered part of the set design. Thus, when voting on the Best Scenic Design of a Musical, one not only SHOULD factor in the projection and animation work, but would HAVE to do so.

Given that, many of us think it's ridiculous to give the award to South Pacific over Sunday in the Park with George.

#17

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:16am

AGREED, HIGGINS.

ljay needs to reread his little friend's post.

#18

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:16am

I think Szot over Evans is also ridiculous. Oh well.

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#19

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:17am

It's absolutely outrageous. The set of SITPWG was captivating. There's no other word for it. And there's absolutely no justification to the upset.

Hell, Sunday's set should have been nominated for Best Leading Actor in a Musical.

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#20

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:20am

-- "I think Szot over Evans is also ridiculous. Oh well."

AMEN to that, blaxx. AMEN.




-- "Hell, Sunday's set should have been nominated for Best Leading Actor in a Musical."

That was awesome, magic8ball! But I still would have wanted Evans to win in that category =)

#21

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:21am

He's not my friend. He DOES UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE CONSIDERED SET DESIGN READ AGAIN.


"If you want to complain I suppose projections could have been lumped together with lighting and you should complain that it didn't win best lighting design -- not set design."

He is saying if they were considered lighting and not set, and it lost people would still complain. He understands it was considered for set design.

#22

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:24am

You're missing the point...

#23

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:25am

But what if the majority of voters simply thought that the set for South Pacific was BETTER than the set for Sunday in the Park?

Ever think of that?

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#24

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:30am

Speaking for myself:

Absolutely! And I'm sure that's what happened, actually.

I just think it's a shame and I disagree with said majority of voters. In my opinion, the award definitely went to the wrong show.

Updated On: 6/16/08 at 01:30 AM

#25

re: How did SOUTH win 'Scenic Design' over SITPWG???

Posted: 6/16/08 at 1:30am

Oh yeah!

Those sand dunes and military maps (which are hanging on big steel rods) are better than intricate, detailed, brilliant, interactive computer projections.

oops. I must have forgotten. Sorry, paljoey.