How is it racist?- Page 4

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 8:25pm

Hey, Idiot--are you as much of an idiot in real life or do you just come to BroadwayWorld to be an idiot.

I'd like to believe you were actually an intelligent human being, but since you've never exhibited a single intelligent syllable in the 1 year, 4 months and 20 days you've been posting here, I'll just take you at your word.

You're an idiot, Idiot.

[Gaveston2]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 8:47pm

Because that's what you do when you're Meryl F*CKing Streep.

Worth repeating. And aren't we fortunate that one of our finest actresses is also such a classy human being?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 9:05pm

I'd like to apologize for my "black lesbian" remark, as obviously that upset some people and I didn't mean to cause such offense. I am sorry for my crudeness.

If you think the problem was that what you said was crude, you're wrong.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 9:11pm

Crude? Like a "bubbling crude" like "black" gold?

RAY-CIST!

[The Distinctive Baritone]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 9:57pm

I was apologizing, Phyllis, geez.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 10:18pm

I know, baby, and I'd love this to be a chance for all of us to just talk openly and honesty about a whole host of things like white privilege -and straight privilege - and how even though it doesn't matter whether a there was a cabal of people voted against Viola Davis by voting for Meryl Streep. There was no cabal, by the way.

I guess it's not too different from people crying homophobia when Brokeback didn't win a few years back. I didn't agree with that either, but that doesn't change the real issues this country does have with racism and homophbia.

But these things but we just can't here on BWW. This board can have some thought-provoking discussion, and some that are just a hell of a lot of fun, but race just never works. People get defensive, others crying "PC Police" and inevitably people cry racism in jest until it just starts to go from being a little funny to being a little obnoxious. I get it, we can't do it. But can we please just stop the "OMG THAT'S RACIST" jokes? They're really just nothing but wearying at this point.

So offensive to anyone, because I genuinely dig most of the posters in this thread.

I do agree with PalJoey about Idiot, though.

Updated On: 2/29/12 at 10:18 PM

[TracyLord]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 10:21pm

Baritone, I'm not sure if you grasp the magnitude of the ignorance displayed in your "black lesbian" comment. Crudeness is hardly the issue.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 10:27pm

I heard that Stephen Sondheim and David Ives are writing a musical about this very thing.

[The Distinctive Baritone]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 10:38pm

Look, I apologized. Stop being self-righteous and move on.

[Broadway61004]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 11:18pm

They're racist in the same way they were homophobic when they gave the Oscar to Philip Seymour Hoffman over Heath Ledger for Brokeback. You know, a huge arts organization clearly would be homophobic for giving an Oscar to a guy playing TRUMAN CAPOTE. Yet according to many, apparently they were.

[TracyLord]

Posted: 2/29/12 at 11:26pm

Baritone, I think that you should take some time and educate yourself about the myth of reverse discrimination. I understand how saying this may come across as self-righteous, but you don't strike me as a stupid person. I think you'll quickly be able to see how a comment, like your "black lesbian" one, is stemming from the belief that minorities are seeking special treatment. Understand that, even if I were able to successfully blame my failings on white or straight men, we are not standing on a level playing field.

Alright, now...

I want to move on
I want to explore the light
I want to know how to get through,
Through to something new,
Something of my own...

Signed,
A Black Lesbian (who usually blames her problems on her parents)

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 12:06am

A Black Lesbian (who usually blames her problems on her parents)

Which makes you, when all is said and done, a gay white jew.

Updated On: 3/1/12 at 12:06 AM

[TracyLord]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 12:27am

Oh, dear... I don't know if I can come to terms with that this late in life. What'll I wear?

[StageManager2]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 8:15am

"Of course racism exists. But Meryl's win probably had nothing to do with the Academy not wanting to honor an African American.

I mean, I think that Octavia Spencer would agree with that assessment."

Spencer's was an affirmative action win. There, I said it. There was nothing extraordinary about her performance, and God knows she wasn't the best in her bunch. And that standing ovation for her was just ridiculous. I'm willing to bet that if Jessica Chastain had won instead no one (except maybe her co-stars) would have stood up.

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 8:37am

StageManager, the fact that you feel that way about Spencer's performance doesn't mean that a great many people don't genuinely believe it was an outstanding performance.

[themysteriousgrowl]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 8:40am

While I don't agree that it was an "affirmative action win" (whatever that's meant to mean) I do agree that she didn't deserve the win. I haven't seen "Albert Nobbs" yet, so I can't speak to Janet McTeer's performance, but Jessica Chastain was certainly better in "The Help," and Brnice Bejo was light years ahead of both of them in "The Artist."

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 8:51am

Well I (respectfully, of course) disagree with you. Streep transformed herself in a way that even for her was extraordinary for this film. I think she more than deserved the statue for THE WHITE IRON LADY.

[themysteriousgrowl]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 8:57am

I'm talking Supporting, beyotch.

I haven't seen "The White Iron Lady Who's Not Black and Does All the Better for It."

Also, on the subject of Spencer, let's not forget that she also won the BAFTA, so she must have ridden that white American liberal guilt ferry all the way across the pond.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 9:01am

Excuse me for being confused. It was not my intention. Please go on with your day.

[themysteriousgrowl]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 9:05am

I may. I may NOT.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 9:10am

Christ, you're such a tease.

[newintown]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 9:20am

Wow, you gals were up all night on this one weren't you?

Henrik, clearly you have a passion for this topic that I suspect precludes a dispassionate exchange of opinion.

However, to me, my two posts are far from antithetical - they both support my main thesis that no one is guaranteed employment as an artist, and that issues of race (and all those other bugaboos) is irrelevant when discussing opportunities as a commercial artist (which isn't exactly true - there are some times and places where being of color or a woman or someone else seen as disadvantaged works as a benefit - when a theatre company devotes a season [or entire mission] to African American, for instance).

But another big point is that any lack of opportunities for actors of color (whether real or perceived) is not due to the man viciously trying to keep them down, but only because the money goes where people think it will make more money.

Personally, the actors of color I know are (on average) working more than the white actors I know these days. I'm not saying that's a global average, just what I see in my part of NYC. But I think this particular thread is more about complaints over leading, starring, Oscar-worthy roles in expensive movies than general "work."

[juggles]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 9:23am

Why don't blacks apply to be on the Panel for voting who wins what at the Oscars and why don't blacks set up film companies/theatre companies etc? Instead of being reliant or think they are, on white companies.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 9:25am

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 3/1/12 at 11:42am

I thought the standing ovation for Octavia was racist.

'Look! We gave it to ONE blactor!'




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