Into The Woods Question on "Stay with Me"
Into The Woods Question on "Stay with Me"
broadwayboy223
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/2/14
#1Into The Woods Question on "Stay with Me"
Posted: 12/16/15 at 12:02am
So I was just curious to see if anyone had any info on how/when Stay with me was put into the show? I watched a clip of the Old Globe production the other day and noticed that the song was not there. What confuses me is that I swear I read that when Betty Buckley was involved in a workshop as the Witch she at least claims the song was written for her. So if the song was written for her then why wasn't it in the pre Broadway run? Just a Sondheim fan wanting to see if anyone had any insight. Thanks!
Hamilton22
Broadway Star Joined: 7/18/15
#2Into The Woods Question on
Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:14am
The bigger question is, why is Sondheim such a spineless pushover and let's his musicals be butchered when turned into films? Can't answer your stay with me question but if you were wondering why the witch's lament fell emotionally flat in the film, I have your answer
#3Into The Woods Question on
Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:18am
does he have a say, really?
"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
Hamilton22
Broadway Star Joined: 7/18/15
#4Into The Woods Question on
Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:27am
Of course he has a say. And what is even worse is, he didn't want disney to change Rapunzel's fate. He gave an interview saying he was unhappy with the decision but ultimately couldn't do anything abouit and said he understood why disney changed it. Such BS.
Dear Disney, no one gives a rats ass if one of "your characters" dies. You don't own the character's mythology. There were not going to be riots in the streets if a live action version of your character died in a film completely unrelated to Tangled. Grow some balls and keep your hands off masterpieces like Into The woods. You didn't deserve to adapt that masterpiece.
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#5Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:41am
Hamilton22 said: "Of course he has a say. And what is even worse is, he didn't want disney to change Rapunzel's fate. He gave an interview saying he was unhappy with the decision but ultimately couldn't do anything abouit and said he understood why disney changed it. Such BS."
Shouldn't that tell you that he could literally do nothing to stop it???
"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
Hamilton22
Broadway Star Joined: 7/18/15
#6Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:46am
You asked if he had a say, and I answered your question correctly. I never said his opinion was final.
c0113g3b0y
Leading Actor Joined: 9/16/15
#7Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 2:13am
Hamitlon22, why so testy?
The thing is, besides being an utter toad of a human being, Riedel usually has the least knowledge of the topic in the room. He doesn't usually understand the content or approach of a show, and is always completely and unfailingly socially ignorant, which makes it really infuriating when Susan can't get a word in edgewise. A definitive mansplainer; it's always painful when he has female guests. I watch the show sporadically when I really want to see a guest, because it's the only theatre talkshow we have, but it would be so much better without this hateful clown in a dadcoat. (thanks ScaryWarhol)
#8Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 3:34am
Stay With Me was not written until after the San Diego production.
Given that the song is in the film, What the hell does the supposed butchering of his films have to do with the price of tea in china?
toofunktastic2
Stand-by Joined: 4/9/15
#9Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 3:59am
Hamilton22 said: "You asked if he had a say, and I answered your question correctly. I never said his opinion was final.
"having a say" generally means that your opinion actually means something and will have an effect. It doesn't generally mean that you can give your opinion if you want, but it actually doesn't matter because they'll ignore you anyways if it goes against what they want.
#10Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:00am
c0113g3b0y said: "Hamitlon22, why so testy? "
He needs to get laid.
#11Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:01am
CarlosAlberto said: "He needs to get laid."
Don't we all.
They/them.
"Get up the nerve to be all you deserve to be."
Hamilton22
Broadway Star Joined: 7/18/15
#12Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:05am
Carlos is right. Goin to Namo's leather club tonight. Wish me luck.
#13Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:05am
Speak for yourself. I gets laid on the regular....that's never a problem for me...
#14Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:06am
Hamilton22 said: "Carlos is right. Goin to Namo's leather club tonight. Wish me luck.
Of course I am right, was there ever any doubt?
Ranger Tom
Leading Actor Joined: 7/6/14
#15Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:00am
Another thread descends into madness. A decent dramaturgical question post finds its end with leather and bashing Sondheim. Agony...
#16Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:17am
toofunktastic2 said: "having a say" generally means that your opinion actually means something and will have an effect. It doesn't generally mean that you can give your opinion if you want, but it actually doesn't matter because they'll ignore you anyways if it goes against what they want. "
yes, exactly. Sondheim clearly did not have any power over the material once Disney had their talons in it. He was simply a cog in their machine.
"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
broadwayboy223
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/2/14
#17Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:23am
I've been doing some more research and I think what makes the most sense is that Buckley played the witch in the two week workshop after Old Globe. Where stay with me was written. As for the movie. It was horrible. The Witch had no motivation for Last Midnight since Rapunzel hadn't died. It was silly and weak.
Hamilton22
Broadway Star Joined: 7/18/15
#18Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:28am
Call it bashing if you want but Sondheim is generally a huge pushover when it comes to letting others adapt his work for film.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#19Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:42am
If it doesn't bother HIM, why does it bother you so much?
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#20Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 12:06pm
There's a huge difference between "I am respected and the film producers will probably listen to me if I say things and try to keep me involved" and "I have actual contractual power to stop changes I don't like."
#21Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 12:09pm
Ranger Tom said: "Another thread descends into madness. A decent dramaturgical question post finds its end with leather and bashing Sondheim. Agony...
Leather, Sondheim = Sondheim's Basement. Bwahahaha!! Now THAT'S madness right there.
brettarnett
Featured Actor Joined: 5/2/09
#22Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 4:42pm
I believe that the progression of ITW is this: first the San Diego production, and then a workshop with Buckley, then negotiations with Lupone, and then Peters came on board then Broadway!
#23Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 4:46pm
Hamilton: Everything you say is either inaccurate or incorrect.
Either way, it is always expressed excessively.
Less is always more. (In your case, a lot less.)
Hamilton22
Broadway Star Joined: 7/18/15
#24Into the Woods
Posted: 12/16/15 at 4:49pm
Pal Joey, I'm not incorrect on this. Sondheim specifically said he fought disney on the Rapunzel change. He did not want it to happen.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
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