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#1

Into The Woods Question on "Stay with Me"

Posted: 12/16/15 at 12:02am

So I was just curious to see if anyone had any info on how/when Stay with me was put into the show? I watched a clip of the Old Globe production the other day and noticed that the song was not there. What confuses me is that I swear I read that when Betty Buckley was involved in a workshop as the Witch she at least claims the song was written for her. So if the song was written for her then why wasn't it in the pre Broadway run? Just a Sondheim fan wanting to see if anyone had any insight. Thanks!

#2

Into The Woods Question on

Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:14am

The bigger question is, why is Sondheim such a spineless pushover and let's his musicals be butchered when turned into films? Can't answer your stay with me question but if you were wondering why the witch's lament fell emotionally flat in the film, I have your answer

#3

Into The Woods Question on

Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:18am

does he have a say, really?

"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
#4

Into The Woods Question on

Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:27am

Of course he has a say. And what is even worse is, he didn't want disney to change Rapunzel's fate. He gave an interview saying he was unhappy with the decision but ultimately couldn't do anything abouit and said he understood why disney changed it. Such BS.

Dear Disney, no one gives a rats ass if one of "your characters" dies. You don't own the character's mythology. There were not going to be riots in the streets if a live action version of your character died in a film completely unrelated to Tangled. Grow some balls and keep your hands off masterpieces like Into The woods. You didn't deserve to adapt that masterpiece.

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#5

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:41am

Hamilton22 said: "Of course he has a say. And what is even worse is, he didn't want disney to change Rapunzel's fate. He gave an interview saying he was unhappy with the decision but ultimately couldn't do anything abouit and said he understood why disney changed it. Such BS."

Shouldn't that tell you that he could literally do nothing to stop it???

"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
#6

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 1:46am

You asked if he had a say, and I answered your question correctly. I never said his opinion was final.

#7

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 2:13am

Hamitlon22, why so testy?

The thing is, besides being an utter toad of a human being, Riedel usually has the least knowledge of the topic in the room. He doesn't usually understand the content or approach of a show, and is always completely and unfailingly socially ignorant, which makes it really infuriating when Susan can't get a word in edgewise. A definitive mansplainer; it's always painful when he has female guests. I watch the show sporadically when I really want to see a guest, because it's the only theatre talkshow we have, but it would be so much better without this hateful clown in a dadcoat. (thanks ScaryWarhol)
#8

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 3:34am

Stay With Me was not written until after the San Diego production.

Given that the song is in the film, What the hell does the supposed butchering of his films have to do with the price of tea in china?

#9

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 3:59am

Hamilton22 said: "You asked if he had a say, and I answered your question correctly. I never said his opinion was final.

"having a say" generally means that your opinion actually means something and will have an effect. It doesn't generally mean that you can give your opinion if you want, but it actually doesn't matter because they'll ignore you anyways if it goes against what they want.

#10

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:00am

c0113g3b0y said: "Hamitlon22, why so testy? "

He needs to get laid.

#11

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:01am

CarlosAlberto said: "He needs to get laid."

Don't we all.

They/them. "Get up the nerve to be all you deserve to be."
#12

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:05am

Carlos is right. Goin to Namo's leather club tonight. Wish me luck.

#13

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:05am

Speak for yourself. I gets laid on the regular....that's never a problem for me...

#14

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 8:06am

Hamilton22 said: "Carlos is right. Goin to Namo's leather club tonight. Wish me luck.

Of course I am right, was there ever any doubt?

#15

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:00am

Another thread descends into madness. A decent dramaturgical question post finds its end with leather and bashing Sondheim. Agony...

#16

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:17am

toofunktastic2 said: "having a say" generally means that your opinion actually means something and will have an effect. It doesn't generally mean that you can give your opinion if you want, but it actually doesn't matter because they'll ignore you anyways if it goes against what they want. "

yes, exactly. Sondheim clearly did not have any power over the material once Disney had their talons in it. He was simply a cog in their machine.

"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
#17

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:23am

I've been doing some more research and I think what makes the most sense is that Buckley played the witch in the two week workshop after Old Globe. Where stay with me was written. As for the movie. It was horrible. The Witch had no motivation for Last Midnight since Rapunzel hadn't died. It was silly and weak.

#18

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:28am

Call it bashing if you want but Sondheim is generally a huge pushover when it comes to letting others adapt his work for film.

#19

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 9:42am

If it doesn't bother HIM, why does it bother you so much?

If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#20

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 12:06pm

There's a huge difference between "I am respected and the film producers will probably listen to me if I say things and try to keep me involved" and "I have actual contractual power to stop changes I don't like."

#21

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 12:09pm

Ranger Tom said: "Another thread descends into madness. A decent dramaturgical question post finds its end with leather and bashing Sondheim. Agony...

Leather, Sondheim = Sondheim's Basement. Bwahahaha!! Now THAT'S madness right there.

#22

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 4:42pm

I believe that the progression of ITW is this: first the San Diego production, and then a workshop with Buckley, then negotiations with Lupone, and then Peters came on board then Broadway!

#23

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 4:46pm

Hamilton: Everything you say is either inaccurate or incorrect.

Either way, it is always expressed excessively.

Less is always more. (In your case, a lot less.)

#24

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 4:49pm

Pal Joey, I'm not incorrect on this. Sondheim specifically said he fought disney on the Rapunzel change. He did not want it to happen.

#25

Into the Woods

Posted: 12/16/15 at 4:52pm

Settle your twat, Hamilton.

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