King Kong in Trouble?- Page 2

[HogansHero]

Posted: 12/22/18 at 9:51pm

what drugs are those thinking this show is "in trouble" taking?

[devonian.t]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 5:01am

It's not exactly a hot ticket, is it?

[ACL2006]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 12:09pm

Don't think it lasts a full year. It would take years for this to recoup. It probably sticks around through the summer.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 12:22pm

no it is not a hot ticket but I have stopped guessing when shows will close. We are talking about a business in which HOH and OOTI run well beyond their sell by dates for no rational reason. We are also talking about a show that is produced by folks for whom losing the kind of money presently being lost (if any) is a drop in the bucket. Also, the amount of time a show takes to recoup, if it is marginally profitable week to week, is irrelevant. If I offer you a million dollars a year for 30 years, would you turn and walk away? 

[ACL2006]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 12:47pm

Also, when was the last time The Broadway Theater had a hit? Don't think it's a highly sought after theater considering it's size.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 1:14pm

ACL2006 said: "Also, when was the last time The Broadway Theater had a hit? Don't think it's a highly sought after theater considering it's size."

How is that relevant to this thread?

[YvanEhtNioj]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 1:24pm

HogansHero said: "ACL2006 said: "Also, when was the last time The Broadway Theater had a hit? Don't think it's a highly sought after theater considering it's size."

How is that relevant to this thread?"

King Kong is at the Broadway. They're asking when the Broadway last had a hit show as King Kong might he in trouble and continuing a string of mediocre shows. 

I would've assumed that was obvious  

[HogansHero]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 3:06pm

Allison said: "HogansHero said: "ACL2006 said: "Also, when was the last time The Broadway Theater had a hit? Don't think it's a highly sought after theater considering it's size."

How is that relevant to this thread?"

King Kong is at the Broadway. They're asking when the Broadway last had a hit showas King Kong might he in trouble and continuing a string of mediocre shows.

I would've assumed that was obvious"

Unless you are some sort of conspiracy theorist, there is nothing at all obvious about the relevance of recent track records in a theatre. These are buildings. Play the same game at the Lyric.

[YvanEhtNioj]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 4:02pm

HogansHero said: "Allison said: "HogansHero said: "ACL2006 said: "Also, when was the last time The Broadway Theater had a hit? Don't think it's a highly sought after theater considering it's size."

How is that relevant to this thread?"

King Kong is at the Broadway. They're asking when the Broadway last had a hit showas King Kong might he in trouble and continuing a string of mediocre shows.

I would've assumed that was obvious"

Unless you are some sort of conspiracy theorist, there is nothing at all obvious about the relevance of recent track records in a theatre. These are buildings. Play the same game at the Lytic."

 

 

 

The context of his question was obvious in regards to how it relates to this thread. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 4:08pm

YvanEhtNioj said: "The context of his question was obvious in regards to how it relates to this thread."

Translating that into the English sentence that it is not, no. Instead of just saying things, try logic-ing your way through and I feel confident you'll appreciate the irrelevance. 

 

[ACL2006]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 4:27pm

The Broadway is a barn of a theater. Big shows take the theater, usually with a high weekly nut, and if the show can't fill the theater (1,800+), it's almost guaranteed to flop.

[YvanEhtNioj]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 4:37pm

HogansHero said: "YvanEhtNioj said: "The context of his question was obvious in regards to how it relates to this thread."

Translating that into the English sentence that it is not, no. Instead of just saying things, try logic-ing your way through and I feel confident you'll appreciate the irrelevance.

"

Do you have to be so passive-aggressive to everyone on this board? Why can't you put that energy into moving conversations forward instead? 

[YvanEhtNioj]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 4:43pm

ACL2006 said: "The Broadway is a barn of a theater. Big shows take the theater, usually with a high weekly nut, and if the show can't fill the theater (1,800+), it's almost guaranteed to flop."

Which is sad because it's such a pretty theater. The first time I walked in when I saw King Kong I was amazed at how big it was. 

I was talking with some friends who aren’t necessarily theater aficionados but passively are interested in musicals. A few of them really enjoyed it mainly because of the puppet.   I don’t think any of them spent more than $80 on a ticket (if that)

 

 my friend and I were leaving the show and I was telling him how much I disliked it and he said " well you kind of know what you’re going to see when you go see a king Kong show.  you don’t expect high class musical theater". While that’s true, I don't except the puppet to be the ONLY good thing 

 

 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 6:06pm

YvanEhtNioj said: "Do you have to be so passive-aggressive to everyone on this board? Why can't you put that energy into moving conversations forward instead?"

Passive is not a word that's usually associated with me around here. And if I am aggressive, it is to questionable ideas, factual errors, or illogic (not infrequently all at the same time). A lot of people attack people on here; I don't. Honestly, I am unaware that I even know anyone here Regarding "moving conversations forward," that's a pretty ironic comment since you are communicating with me about my calling out of illogic, something that by its very nature is directed toward moving the original conversation forward. 

Theatres are not to blame for flops; bad shows and bad producing are. As I mentioned above, look at the Lyric. For years people here have said that "barn" is doomed. Until a show comes along that will probably outlive us all. If Kong fails (as I have previously said is likely -- and I agree 100% with what you wrote in the following post), it won't be because of some curse on the theatre. You and I both know why the show is not a blockbuster. So why muddy the analysis with silliness?

[6timesnyc]

Posted: 12/23/18 at 11:07pm

Show was packed tonight. I hate to admit that everyone that has reviewed this on this board was right. I usually think its just people being catty. Lol. Short of 3 songs, I agree with the one post that said they expected at least something besides the puppet to be good. The songs were not even
Good enough to be place holders. I sat there scratching my head and laughing at how awful some of the scenes were.
The dancing In the streets after Kong destroys the city!? WTH?
I thoroughly enjoyed 90% of the puppet scenes.
Will it last? I cant imagine once the holiday tourist season is over. What a shame.

[ren598]

Posted: 12/31/18 at 12:06am

I was at the show today and there were technical difficulties 20 minutes into Act 2.  People were patient and understanding after the first 2 announcements.  After the third announcement that they were still working on the issue and 20 minutes into the stoppage, people booed and then a lot of people started leaving.  This is when I left as I had a 7:00pm show downtown.  We were given info to contact to get tickets to another future show.  For those that stuck around, I was curious if and when did the show resume?  I thought about sticking around to the end, but not knowing if they would resolve the issue plus another show to get to, I opted to leave after the third announcement.  

[DiscoCrows]

Posted: 12/31/18 at 12:57am

I wasn't there, but someone on Reddit said that Kong had a winch piece (or something of that nature) that was malfunctioning. The plan was to originally call-off the rest of the show, but some stagehands managed to fix it after a little under an hour and a half. The show resumed where it left off, and finished it's run.

Updated On: 12/31/18 at 12:57 AM

[ren598]

Posted: 12/31/18 at 8:06am

DiscoCrows said: "I wasn't there, but someone on Reddit said that Kong had a winch piece (or something of that nature) that was malfunctioning. The plan was to originally call-off the rest of the show, but some stagehands managed to fix it after a little under an hour and a half. The show resumed where it left off, and finished it's run."

Thanks for the update.  Glad I didn't stick around for the 90 minutes for the issue to be resolved.  I would have never made it to my 7:00 pm show on time.  I'm also glad they were able to resume and finish the  show for those out-of-towners visiting NYC for New Years.  It would have been difficult for them to return for another performance.

[Dollypop]

Posted: 1/2/19 at 5:56pm

Saw the show this afternoon and realized it had many flaws, still, I really liked it!

[Sho-Tunes-R-Us]

Posted: 1/2/19 at 7:43pm

If ever a show needed to play Vegas KONG is the one.  And I don't mean that in a bad way.  The spectacle could be enhance five times over with a Vegas budget and the show cut to a tab version, ala Phantom: The Spectacle.  That show ran at Paris LV for many years...as did Mamma Mia! (the first time 'round).   The tourists would eat it up and the Big Guy would continue to RRRRRRROOOOAAAARRRR for many moons.

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 1/2/19 at 8:29pm

Sho-Tunes-R-Us said: "If ever a show needed to play Vegas KONG is the one. And I don't mean that in a bad way. The spectacle could be enhance five times over with a Vegas budget and the show cut to a tab version, ala Phantom: The Spectacle. That show ran at Paris LV for many years...as did Mamma Mia! (the first time 'round). The tourists would eat it up and the Big Guy would continue to RRRRRRROOOOAAAARRRR for many moons."

Phantom: the Las Vegas Spectacular closed at a loss at the Venetian despite running for just over 6 years, so not really a model of success.

[GiantsInTheSky2]

Posted: 1/2/19 at 9:33pm

If Zumanity wasnt playing in the New York-New York hotel in Vegas, Kong could have gone there and arguably done much better financially. Not sure why this team was so adamant on bringing this to Broadway.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 1/2/19 at 9:46pm

GiantsInTheSky2 said: "Not sure why this team was so adamant on bringing this to Broadway."

For the same reason that they fork over 50 grand a year for their kid to go to nursery school at Horace Mann. Pedigree.

 

[robskynyc]

Posted: 1/2/19 at 9:54pm

Sho-Tunes-R-Us said: "If ever a show needed to play Vegas KONG is the one. And I don't mean that in a bad way. The spectacle could be enhance five times over with a Vegas budget and the show cut to a tab version, ala Phantom: The Spectacle. That show ran at Paris LV for many years...as did Mamma Mia! (the first time 'round). The tourists would eat it up and the Big Guy would continue to RRRRRRROOOOAAAARRRR for many moons."

Sho Tunes- how much more budget do u want?! LOL didn't this cost 35 mil?

[Sho-Tunes-R-Us]

Posted: 1/3/19 at 3:22am

robskynyc said: "Sho-Tunes-R-Us said: "If ever a show needed to play Vegas KONG is the one. And I don't mean that in a bad way. The spectacle could be enhance five times over with a Vegas budget and the show cut to a tab version, ala Phantom: The Spectacle. That show ran at Paris LV for many years...as did Mamma Mia! (the first time 'round). The tourists would eat it up and the Big Guy would continue to RRRRRRROOOOAAAARRRR for many moons."

Sho Tunes- how much more budget do u want?! LOL didn't this cost 35 mil?"

I want a VEGAS budget.  lol  Have you seen any shows there?  For the big production shows - especially the Cirque ones - the money is clearly on the stage.  The only NYC show to come even remotely close is Harry Potter and even that one looks skimpy to me after being spoiled by the excess that is Vegas.