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#1

Local high school production of Phantom...

My local town of Janesville, WI. currently has a high school production of Phantom of the Opera. I had heard great things, but until seeing this video, I didn't know just how good it could be...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlrxcap3Nk



I mean, this looks very professional, and the singing is wonderful. (The girl playing Christine is only 14 years old, apparently.)


I may have to go and see this production before it closes.

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Local high school production of Phantom...

I wonder if the standard license comes with permission to steal and copy choreographed hand gestures and stage directions step for step.

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Local high school production of Phantom...

Well I hope no one will every copy and steal Sara Brightman's deadeye look from the original production, unless they are dead.


BTW, those kids are amazing.


"when I’m on stage I see the abyss and have to overcome it by telling myself it’s only a play." - Helen Mirren
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Local high school production of Phantom...

Small world! I am seeing this on Saturday. They have alternates playing Christine and I know the family of the young lady who is not in this video. (Who is the younger of the two. I think the young lady in this video may be a few years older than 14 but I don't think it matters... Crazy crazy talent for a high schooler.) If I talk to any of the kids after the show I'll tell them word of their talent has spread all the way to the Broadway message boards. :)

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Local high school production of Phantom...

I wonder if the standard license comes with permission to steal and copy choreographed hand gestures and stage directions step for step


Oh please spare us your righteousness. Under U.S. copyright law, choreography is only copyrighted if it is recorded in a tangible medium. However, high schools/colleges benefit from the fair-use principle, which allows the use of copyrighted works for educational use. Direction itself is not eligible for copyright protection. People seem to not realize that there are three prongs to a copyright claim: copying the protected work, confusion with the original and monetary losses. All three must be met for an infringement claim.


That said, those kids are crazy talented, though it was a bit surprising to see a full-formed Phantom (surprising, but refreshing).

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Local high school production of Phantom...

Besides, the original director an choreographer are likely cited in the program and advertisements per licence agreement. Chances are the reason they must be cited is because it is understood that certain images and movements become iconic and reproduced. If the source is cited as agreed upon in the contract, then why should it not work like writing a paper or reproducing a photograph?

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Local high school production of Phantom...

I actually think the choreography and stage directions ARE included with the amateur license. In fact, I think there is very little leeway for them to change much about the staging. (They even rent the sets.) I could be wrong about the specific scope of that, but in any event, they're kids. No one expects a high school production to be an original adaptation. POTO wouldn't license it to high schools if they didn't want aspects of the direction to be "copied."



(Thank you, Fosse and JimmyCurry for weighing in in their defense.)



I will pass along the kind words to the cast... and omit the rest of it. :)



I probably should've stuck with my original instincts and ignored that comment, but my tongue was bleeding...

Updated On: 7/21/15 at 09:59 PM

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Local high school production of Phantom...

While I don't see anything wrong with this production mimicking the Broadway show (a lot of that show is iconic anyway), I must admit to being disappointed with a few High School shows I have seen, where the production is an EXACT replica of the Broadway show...and I mean EXACT...


I saw a High School put on Beauty and the Beast a few years ago and I was flabbergasted to see the set, stage direction and costumes to be an exact replica of the current Networks Tour of the show.


Of course, replicating the set design and costumes are forgivable, but I was shocked to see that everything down to small character choices were being used from (I'm guessing) an illegal copy of the tour.


It looked like the director had the whole cast watch a bootleg and said "Okay everyone, just do that. Exactly what they're doing". Because that's exactly what it came off as when I saw the show.


It's really the kids who suffer when Directors choose to do this. There's lots of hard work that goes into developing your character and finding out your character's motivation, physicality and ticks. But that's also the fun of it! The Journey is the important part, not the end result. The rehearsal process is a sacred process full of leaps and bounds and mistakes and triumphs. You miss out on the adventure that theater can really bring you when you choose to skip corners and cheat.


I'm really saddened by the mindset some community theater directors have. Why even need a director if you're just going to copy the original show?


That's just one show though, I'm sure there are many High Schools who don't have that mindset and search deep for the context, subtext and beats within a show.


Updated On: 7/21/15 at 10:30 PM

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Local high school production of Phantom...

I agree that directors should help kids find their characters. I know your comment wasn't directed at that clip but I'll add that I understand this director really pushes the kids as actors. Obviously you can't really tell much from a few minute video clip of one song, but the community is very proud to have him involved in school theater. There was a neat article about him in the local paper awhile back.



I don't think anyone can really fault a public school director for using existing sets/costumes/choreography considering they're insanely underpaid for the amount of work that goes into these shows. (And most schools now rent costumes and sets and sometimes choreography DVDs, which is why you'll often see duplication.). But sadly I suspect we're unlikely to see funding for the arts in public schools go up anytime soon.... I do agree that if they use those resources they should still encourage kids to take their own view of the character though.

Updated On: 7/21/15 at 10:58 PM

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Local high school production of Phantom...

As someone who has seen the original Broadway production 53 times (I know I know-- BWW mortal sin), I did not see much copying of the original production in this video.



I see two kids trying to copy some of it, but that Phantom is just too awkward to do most of it. The Phantom does not stand with arm out during Christine's solo notes at the end of the title number; he touches himself in a suggestive way. Even the iconic "turn your face away" bit was clumsy and sloppy. "Touch me, trust me" is similiar; he's holding her from behind, but she's supposed to be in a trance-like state, and she just lifts her arm back, feels the mask, and is startled out of the trance. Here, she is bright-eyed and he awkwardly grabs her arm, which has been bopping around in front of her, and lifts it to him, but then stops before her arm ever touches his mask.


When they first arrive at his lair and he takes his coat off, in New York he throws it in the boat. Here, he throws it on the floor near the organ, which is face the opposite way as in New York.


Generally speaking, I'm not sure what else you could do with Music of the Night besides have the Phantom walk around and sing it and Christine stand around and listen.


What I find more interesting is the recorded music :)

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Local high school production of Phantom...


"Generally speaking, I'm not sure what else you could do with Music of the Night besides have the Phantom walk around and sing it and Christine stand around and listen."




Well, we could start by adding a bed and music stand and having the Phantom tie a blindfold over Christine's head. Then, we can have them awkwardly waltz around the bedroom. Wouldn't that be great?


"Was uns befreit, das muss stärker sein als wir es sind." -Tanz der Vampire
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Local high school production of Phantom...

"I actually think the choreography and stage directions ARE included with the amateur license. In fact, I think there is very little leeway for them to change much about the staging. (They even rent the sets.) I could be wrong about the specific scope of that, but in any event, they're kids. No one expects a high school production to be an original adaptation. POTO wouldn't license it to high schools if they didn't want aspects of the direction to be "copied." "


Just to clarify, the Rodgers and Hammerstein Organization, which handles the US licensing for Lloyd Webber's shows, does not rent the set to the schools that produce Phantom. They do provide a message board to allow groups to post their own sets, props, and costumes that they have available for rental and/or sale.


When they first did the pilot program for Phantom licensing they specifically chose groups that had varying levels of resources to see how the show would be handled when it wasn't a clone of the Hal Prince staging (my undergrad produced one of those pilot productions, and though it was a few years after I had graduated I still heard plenty of the goings-on). So unless they decided after those pilot productions to change their stance, those who license the show are not bound to stick to any staging specifics.

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Local high school production of Phantom...

Thanks for the clarification. I was told they rented them with the license but that was not from someone in the show, so I must have been misinformed. I do know they were rented but it must've been a third party.


I still don't think there is anything wrong with an amateur production using existing choreography. (I don't understand your post to suggest otherwise--just that it is not required, and I appreciate the correction on that point.)

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Local high school production of Phantom...

You're welcome for the clarification.


And yes, though I was stating that I don't believe they are required to use any aspect of the original staging, I'm hardly one to come down on a high school production for bearing any similarities to its Broadway counterpart. Very few of these kids are doing this as anything other than an extracurricular activity and will only take memories from these experiences.


Now, when you start getting college productions, which are ostensibly training future professionals, that show little creativity or originality, then I'll start taking a stronger side in the debate.

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Local high school production of Phantom...

The fog/mist effect is always a winner.


"when I’m on stage I see the abyss and have to overcome it by telling myself it’s only a play." - Helen Mirren

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