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#126

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Who has the time for all of that?

Someone, I would guess, who is a much bigger fan of The Phantom of the Opera than you think either reasonable or proper.

I know people who have thought this sequel was a really bad idea since ALW first mentioned it over ten years ago. They couldn't do any thing to stop it, of course, but they can try to counteract the media that have been consistently describing LND as "long awaited" by fans of the original and the gushing of some fans who have been writing and posting that they "JUST CAN'T WAIT" for the show to open for months. A fair number of fans are apparently not in this gushing group. I have no idea what the percentages are, but when all that is available to the public are the RUG-authorized and constructed sites, videos, and cast-member blogs, I think that the "anti's" just got pissed off and set up shop themselves.
#127

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I think that the "anti's" just got pissed off and set up shop themselves.

But why? To stop the production of the show? To get people not to attend? Or did they just want to get attention and preach to the choir? And yes, there are tons of fans of the original (and Lloyd Webber fans) who probably have been looking forward to the show. So what? It's not like those who are excited about the show are going to hang out in the haterz forums. It's just so silly. To me, it reeks of immature snarky poseurs, as per usual.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#128

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Why?
As I suggested, I think it's to put out an opinion other than the official RUG line and the opinions of those who were as convinced that the show would be wonderful before it opened as the antis were that it was a bad idea.

Those who are excited about the show *are* aware of the opposite opinion. I think it's mostly a matter of the people who really dislike the whole idea of a sequel and who dislike this production more and more as information is available just not wanting to sit still and let the "wonderfulness" of LND go unchallenged.

You think it's silly. They think it's not.

There is a lot of snarkiness (snarkyness?) going around. You see it here; not everyone does.
#129

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

The LOVE SHOULD DIE "campaign" makes it clear that it is not delusional to think it's going to stop the show. Sally has perfectly described what the campaign is meant to do. It's not like protests are happening outside the Adelphi.

How to properly use its/it's: Its is the possessive. It's is the contraction for it is...

Updated On: 2/24/10 at 02:30 PM

#130

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Thanks, Mama.
2008: Feb. 18- Rent, Feb. 19- Curtains, April 18- Xanadu, April 22- Wicked, April 26- Legally Blonde, May 31- Wicked, June 13- The Little Mermaid, June 28- Wicked and Young Frankenstein, July 2- The Little Mermaid, July 6- A Chorus Line and Legally Blonde, August 16- Xanadu, September 13- Legally Blonde and 13, September 28- Xanadu and Spring Awakening, Oct. 12-GYPSY and [title of show], Oct. 19- Hairspray & Legally Blonde, Nov. 9- Wicked and 13, Dec. 14-13, Dec. 26- Billy Elliot, 2009: Jan 1- Shrek, Jan 2- 13 and Wicked, Jan 4- 13, Feb 17- In The Heights, Feb 19- Billy Elliot, Feb 22- Sweeney Todd (tour), March 28- Mary Poppins, April 4- Mamma Mia!, April 15- Jersey Boys (on tour), April 25- next to normal & 9 to 5 May 1- Billy Elliot, May 3- Spelling Bee (tour), May 8- Chicago, May 21- Wicked, June 6- Everyday Rapture, June 23- The Wiz, June 25- Hair July 15- Shrek, August 9- Wicked, September 7- Rock of Ages, October 11- Next To Normal, October 23- The Marvelous Wonderettes, November 7- Ragtime November 29- Dreamgirls, December 25- Billy Elliot, December 30- Finian's Rainbow, 2010: January 9- Bye Bye Birdie, January 16- Memphis February 17- The Phantom of The Opera, February 18- God of Carnage, March 7- Billy Elliot, March 31- American Idiot
#131

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

hen they meet in her boudoir in the next scene...and...apparently, sweet naive Raoul-loving Christine, sought out the Phantom the night before her wedding and had sex with him (!).

What the...Does this conversation actually take place in the show?
#132

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Maybe it's because I don't live in the UK, but I don't see this widespread outpouring of instant love and acceptance for the show. At least, not anything more than the usual marketing campaign for a big-budget show. Posting opinions on boards and blogs is normal, but starting Facebook fan pages devoted to denouncing a show that has not been seen? Yeah, I'd say that's just as immature as saying the show is going to be a huge hit because it is tied to ALW and Phantom. The thing is, how many people said that? I'm guessing not nearly as many.

The LOVE SHOULD DIE "campaign" makes it clear that it is not delusional to think it's going to stop the show.

Really? I'd be curious to see how a Facebook page is going to either get producers to pull a show or convince tourists not to buy tickets. And online petitions always work! I love listening to my CD of the La Cage Broadway revival! Whatever...as long as it keeps the kids off the streets, I guess.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#133

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

ALW has sold himself out by doing reality television, his recent stuff has not been as strong as his earlier material, on the way he has made himself a multi-millionaire, through exploiting the capitalist market, he represents a political party that indulges in that core belief.

I think musical theatre lovers have a big debt of gratitude to pay him, it maybe very possible we would not have the big shows today if it was not for this man, he gave producers confidents that you can put on big musicals and earn money, that shows can run for a very long time, that British musicals can be successful on Broadway, so ALW helped to save musical theatre from possible terminal decline. He put the firm foundations down that has ensured we have exciting theatre today.

As for 'Love Never Dies' it is just one show that he writes every 5-6 years that plays in one of 40 West End Theatres, if it is not very good it will not run very long, like his recent shows, if it is good, it will run and run, like his earlier shows and deservedly massive impact to the West End overall, but if that is still such a big problem, then I suggest detractors should not go to 'Love Never Dies', get over it and move on!
#134

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

"Maybe it's because I don't live in the UK, but I don't see this widespread outpouring of instant love and acceptance for the show. At least, not anything more than the usual marketing campaign for a big-budget show. Posting opinions on boards and blogs is normal, but starting Facebook fan pages devoted to denouncing a show that has not been seen?
Yeah, I'd say that's just as immature as saying the show is going to be a huge hit because it is tied to ALW and Phantom. The thing is, how many people said that? I'm guessing not nearly as many.
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The official RUG facebook fan page has 7000 plus members.

https://www.facebook.com/loveneverdies?ref=ts#!/posted.php?id=128086614895&share_id=360438575624&comments=1#s360438575624

Read some posts if you like. There are some critical comments, but a lot of posts are along the line of " Sooo Can't wait till the 17th March ............ I know i will be blown away "

There is also an official Love Never Dies web page. I have no idea how many people are members there. They don't say. I suppose that these are not impressive numbers to you, but there has been a lot of interest in this show for quite a while in some circles (clearly, not your circles).
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The LOVE SHOULD DIE "campaign" makes it clear that it is not delusional to think it's going to stop the show.

Really? I'd be curious to see how a Facebook page is going to either get producers to pull a show or convince tourists not to buy tickets. And online petitions always work! I love listening to my CD of the La Cage Broadway revival! Whatever...as long as it keeps the kids off the streets, I guess.
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I can't be sure since I don't know ThankstoPhantom, but I think he/she misspoke. I haven't read anything about trying to stop the show. I did see one of those useless email petitions some months ago, but I haven't seen anything like it recently. I think that people who didn't want any sequel at all or are disappointed or angry at what has been done to the characters and the story in Love Never Dies are quite aware that the show is open and will run until the producers take it down.

I also think that they would be pleased if it closed tomorrow Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010
#135

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Just got back from seeing it. Unfortunately, it was beyond awful.

The opening sequence is brilliant. More magical than any opening scene the Cirque Du Soleil company has ever created.

After that though, it's just one massive mess. The only other stunning bit is when Christine appears as a vision in the same modern golden dress she wears in the video preview--suddenly wind starts blowing underneath her as she strikes a Bond girl pose and gold fabric covers her making it seem as if she's engulfed in flames--STUNNING AND SEXY AS HELL. Then Karimloo sings 'Till I hear you sing'. Brilliant but it felt too soon and too out of place. But he sings it brilliantly and holds that final note for much, much longer than in the videos! Acting-wise, he's a terrible phantom.

Unfortunately that song and the lovely Coney Island waltz are the only good ones in the entire show, including a fraction of a song sung by the young boy. The part where he sings about things being truly beautiful and every time he reprises that theme is just sheer beauty. Beyond that it's just a mixture of 'Supercaliphrajalisticexpialidocious' crap and Meg "the coney island whore" (literally -- sigh) doing her 'itty bitty yellow pocadot bikini' numbers and the phantom's entourage of three misfits who look like they walked off the set of Wicked and had their costumes retailored by Marilyn Manson. At one point they enterriding in Cinderella's glass coach to pick up Christine, Raoul, and son to take them to the Phantom. At a later point they actually come down in a hot air balloon. Eeech!

It's a shame because the cast are all so brilliant and unbelievably talented. But still:

To sum up it up in two words, Love Never Dies is chintzy and cheap.


Updated On: 2/24/10 at 07:13 PM

#136

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

You will now be accused of insulting the show because you

A Hate ALW
B Want the show to fail
C have not actually seen it

The ALW fans on here are beyond crazy when it comes to this show
former sadm2 (wink)
#138

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Very True

Some of the stuff they are coming out with is crazy

One guy on this thread wrote on the Broadway World that he doubts the show is bad because so many talented people are involved

I mean really?
Does he think just bad writers create flops?
former sadm2 (wink)
#140

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I'm sure we will get lots of baby reviews on here in the next 10 days but most people respect its in previews and will hold back.
This thread will become 'electric' on the eve of the 9th and into the 10th.
I'm seeing it on Monday 8th.
#141

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

So just out of curiosity, since the show has already been recorded and the CDs are ready to be shipped, does anyone actually believe there is a possibility things will be changed in the show?
#142

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

The only other stunning bit is when Christine appears as a vision in the same modern golden dress she wears in the video preview--suddenly wind starts blowing underneath her as she strikes a Bond girl pose and gold fabric covers her making it seem as if she's engulfed in flames--STUNNING AND SEXY AS HELL.

That's cool. Does she look like she does in the video, though, like she stepped out of the pages of VOGUE, rather than...whatever year it is in the show, 1880?
#143

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Dantes - that guy would be me.

And I wasn't implying that these creative people are not capable of "flopping" again. It's obvious that ALW has enjoyed success and failures, especially with The Woman in White (which I can say I did enjoy live and the CD of, but do not listen to it with much frequency)

I was responding to some who had decided after the first preview that Love Never Dies sucked - even though they hadn't seen it. My point was that the creativity of these individuals and their track record should at least give them the benefit of the preview period before it is just written off as a collosal failure.

There just seems to be a great number of people who wish to rip this to shreads. I'm not saying that about everyone who's critical. I have one friend who's an ALW fan who really did not like LND and gave some pretty constructive criticisms (which I hope would be wrong, not because I'm rooting for ALW's success but because I enjoy his works and would like to enjoy a great evening in theatre and to listen to a new soundtrack as often as I do Sunset Blvd)

But some seem to just be delighted to say "it sucks". I mean the one comment - Love Never dies = SH*T never flushes? Come on?
#144

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

My words were just too convoluted. Basically I was backing up Sally.

Here's what I meant to say that the page put up itself:
Love Should Die statement of purpose.
How to properly use its/it's: Its is the possessive. It's is the contraction for it is...

Updated On: 2/25/10 at 12:44 AM

#145

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

"That's cool. Does she look like she does in the video, though, like she stepped out of the pages of VOGUE, rather than...whatever year it is in the show, 1880?"

Yes. Only her hair isn't tied up at the side with the curl bangs on her forehead. it's just a split in the middle and more wavy like. But her hairstyle throughout the rest of the show is too unattractive: they gave her the Edwardian Dr. Quinn treatment. As a result, she doesn't feel as iconic as she does in Phantom of the Opera.

Updated On: 2/25/10 at 03:43 AM

#146

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I saw it last night, in full, from start to finish, with Sierra Boggess on in it!

You know what, it has problems, its not perfect yet, but I very much liked it. It has lovely songs in places, the set is stunning (though it doesnt hang together as a whole concept - and one set is truly dreadful, though others are beautiful).

The problem people seem to have with it is that they wanted something very similar to the original Phantom and it doesnt happen. Many people seem to want a carbon copy with falling sets and huge tricks, stunts and spectical. Thank God we dont get it. Go and see it - its not perfect by any means, though go to see it as a piece on its own and as a "domestic" drama. Its much smaller, much more focused, many less characters appear, its timescale is tighter its scope is smaller. Its a good footnote to the original.

And I didnt feel that the psychology of the characters had been betrayed. Things have clearly changed over 10 years as one imagines they would in life, especially after the events of the original. If one doesnt change in 10 years in ones out look on life and motivations then there is something wrong with you! Which brings me back to the Phantogs across the net moaning about change and development they clearly arent capable of themselves! and whos lives and outlook have remained almost the same as they were 10 years ago - move on!

There is also a reason that the audience dont give it a standing ovation - after the ending of Love Never Dies it would be very odd to suddenly leap to the feet screaming approval!

I cant think of anything I have seen that is like it. Its effect has grown on me since I saw it and I am still humming the score and so on - and I dont like musicals much!

Am I a loan voice in the darkness I wonder.
#147

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Thanks Deathstar, this was getting a little serious for a moment. Glad you enjoyed the show.


(how the devil are you, youve been away from here awhile?)
#148

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Not bad at all, thanking you for asking. Been so busy recently I hardly have time to log on most days/nights to read or post. Hows you? Good it would seem!

#149

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

So just out of curiosity, since the show has already been recorded and the CDs are ready to be shipped, does anyone actually believe there is a possibility things will be changed in the show?

Absolutely. Lloyd Webber almost always changes his shows after they are recorded. It's difficult to find a show of his that hasn't changed after its first original cast recording.

Is there really a MISSION STATEMENT for a Facebook page to whine about not liking a musical?!?! And in the first paragraph, my comments are referred to as being from "critics"? That is giving me far more credit than I deserve. LOL

"Our aim is merely to counter the offensive claims by those promoting the show, in particular those of its producer, the Really Useful Group, that PHANTOM fans cannot wait for this sequel."

Oh, for God's sake. You say yourself:

"Let it be known here that 'Love Should Die' does not aim to bring about the closure of LOVE NEVER DIES. It doesn't need to. The show is dreadful enough to close itself.

So basically, it's just a bitch and moan page. Personally, I just think it makes Phantom of the Opera fans looks even crazier than the Wicked girls. It's a marketing campaign and they are doing their job. If they have fans that are indeed excited and thrilled about the sequel, then they are being no less credible than someone who refers to MY comments as being from "critics".

In short, is it really a fight worth fighting? Are you being discriminated against by the public? Is there a case for slander? No. In the end, a group of people don't like a musical. They didn't want someone to write and produce a show they wanted to write and produce. Good grief.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

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