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#151

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

You do make yourself clear, no whining wanted.

--One factual correction:

"They didn't want someone to write and produce a show they wanted to write and produce. "


As I understand it, they didn't want someone to write and produce a show they didn't want written and produced.

Period.

Now, let's see some more reports/reviews from people who have seen the show.
#152

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

" The only other stunning bit is when Christine appears as a vision in the same modern golden dress she wears in the video preview--suddenly wind starts blowing underneath her as she strikes a Bond girl pose and gold fabric covers her making it seem as if she's engulfed in flames--STUNNING AND SEXY AS HELL. "

That sounds cool, but totally unnecessary.
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#153

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

As I understand it, they didn't want someone to write and produce a show they didn't want written and produced.

I realized my statement could easily be misconstrued. What I meant to say was, as soon as they got wind of the production announcement, the anti-Love Never Dies people didn't want Lloyd Webber to write and produce something Lloyd Webber wanted to write and produce. The way I see it, that's his business. Sounds like he may have another bomb on his hands, but ultimately, that is his decision to make. And if there are tons of fans on the show's website and Facebook page and whatnot posting tons of positive comments about looking forward to the production as was earlier pointed out (7,000+, I believe?), then I still don't get how their marketing team is behaving so horribly out of line. If the show is a turkey and they were able to create enough buzz to generate a large advance, then good for them. I still don't see how anyone was so terribly wronged in such a way to feel the need to publish a mission statement. If anything, it's just giving more attention to the show they wish people to avoid.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#154

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

"This is going to be my first West End show. I'm going to see it on March 30th. I have a few questions for those who have seen it:

"So is the Phantom just this super nice guy, or does he still have an edge/dark side?"

He has an edge in the beginning but unfortunately he turns into super nice guy pretty soon. Overall Kimloo has too much of a soft, kindly voice. He forgets to keep a certain posture and imposing persona as he is meant to be a big shot mogul within Coney. Yes, the Phantom has moments where his voice goes soft, but in this it felt like he stopped acting like the character after his first scene.

"Does Raoul have any sort of redeeming qualities, or is he pretty much a drunken ass all the way through?"

Yes, he does have redeeming qualities. And he doesn't behave like a mean drunk. he only has one scene where he's "drunk" at a bar, but he still doesn't act like he's royally smashed on alcohol. Yes, he does have redeeming qualities. In his bar scene he sings a beautiful song in which he questions himself and how someone like Christine could still love him despite him not feeling like he could ever be the man he once was. If anything, I found his character the only interesting one and the only one who somehow feels true to Phantom of the Opera in some weird way.

"They don't call the Phantom Erik, do they?"

No.

"How does the score stack up against the first show?"

Well it obviously doesn't have as many hits as the first show but then I don't think anyone, including myself was expecting that or meaning to hold that against Andrew Lloyd Webber. It's less about needing more good songs and more about a certain amount of horrible songs that should be entirely removed.

The Coney Island waltz is beautiful, and the different parts of it serve as musical themes that are specific to certain characters, but never get fleshed out into full stand-alone songs. Which they should and would sound marvelous in my opinion.

The "Really Beautiful Song" (I don't know what it's called, but that the chorus line) is, well, really beautiful! It's the son's theme song but it first gets used as build up music during the sexy epic Aida-like flame moment that I mentioned in my earlier review-ish post.

That moment gets followed by the Phantom singing "Till I Hear You Sing" which is the best song.

Then there's a great song that Christine and the Phantom sing together on the breathtakingly gorgeous Art Nouveau balcony of her room.

After that, there's a song (title has Devil in it--sorry don't remember the chorus line to give it a title). It has four actors (including the boy) singing different lyrics to it all at once. A great suspenseful build-up moment.

That's it. Lover Never Dies is alright, but it needs to be tightened and re-choreographed in my opinion, as well as her outfit and hair. Yuck. Sierra sung it marvelously, but the bow with her hands up in the air expecting the audience to applaud felt too self-gratuitous. Yes, it's understood that we're in the role of the audience she's performing for, but it still felt a bit pushy.

"Are there any big spectacles like the chandelier?"
Apart from the opening sequence (which is incredible), no. There aren't.

"Are there any little bits of the previous Phantom's score in the show?"

YES. Christine and Raoul don't know that the producer who's hired her to come over to do a show at Coney is the Phantom. When her son stops playing with a small wind-up piano toy to go off to bed, she picks it up and suddenly the melody is the creepy Phantom 'voice-over' theme. You know, the one that shows up when he's not on stage and he's haunting the people of the opera.

Later on, that "Little Lotti" song (or whatever it's called) is used very beautifully but with new lyrics sung by him as he does a voice over for his "goodbye" letter.

There's one other point where Christine is ready to go on with the show where I think the Phantom sings the same song that Raoul sang in the third act during the plotting of having her go on with "Past the point of no return" but, I think, with new lyrics.

These moments all fit in really well and are subtle. It never feels like Webber is cheating or anything.

The Phantom's lair / Room has a massive central set piece that is meant to be a semi art deco-egyptian / art nouveau statue of an angel with wings spread out, framing the two windows on either side. This first appears during the flame moment. This is obviously a visual metaphor that alludes to her being his "angel of music"

When Christine meets the Phantom for the first time again and they do that awful duet talking about their one night stand from ten years ago, he approaches her from behind and they sort of do that iconic pose from the first one but she's now pushing away his hands with her hands in a similar artistic way, refusing to go there again.

"Also, I've never been to the Adelphi, obviously. I was on a budget, so the tickets we bought are in the Upper Circle, Row H, seats 34-35. Will we be able to see everything alright?"

I don't know. there are a lot of backdrops that are way far deep at the back of the stage, which I didn't like. Who knows.





Updated On: 2/25/10 at 05:03 PM

#155

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Thanks Underscore! I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions and in such detail.
#156

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Out of everything that I've read, I think I'm most disappointed that they made The Phantom into such a soft/nice guy. Yes, he's always been a romantic, but he was a murderous psychotic obsessive romantic. One of the reasons that I liked The Phantom of the Opera so much was because the Phantom was a badass. He killed people, threatened to kill more if he didn't get it his, extorted money, kidnapped, and was a cocky badass. Sad to hear that he's lost those tragic, yet appealing qualities.
#158

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Look at my avatar. Look at my username. No nice side here.

Nah, I am still really excited to see the show. I just wish the show wasn't heavily polluted with the Phantom's nice side.

Updated On: 2/25/10 at 06:21 PM

#159

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

OMG - I just spent the last 30 minutes reading all these messages!

I'm biting my tongue and keeping my mouth shut until I've actually seen the show. I'm going on the 16th of April - I figured I'd give them at least a month to get it right. As I'm going to be in Las Vegas two weeks before, I'm thinking maybe I'll go and see the spectacular production of Phantom at The Venetian again, I might as well as I'm there.
#160

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

OMG I'm planning a Vegas trip in April with some friends who are already going. I already posted a thread on here about the ticket situation with 'Phantom' there and the seats are so stupidly priced and they very, very rarely do any kind of discount. We, so far have found a discount of $5 off the $190 tickets on Monday and Tuesday at 7pm! -and thats looking now-out of season!

I'm not bothered really, I'll be winging my way to the Flamingo Hotel Showroom to see Donnie and Marie in concert! Now I've told you that Im pretty damn sure you will be too!
#161

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

We're seeing them on the 1st of April! (I'm the same age as Donny so I have a special interest).

Have you splashed out on VIP tickets, though? We have, which means we get to meet them and have our photo taken with them!

Now I've told you that I'm pretty damn sure you will be too!
#162

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010
DONT get too worked up about that VIP thing- you'll stand in line, they'll come out say 'hi' to the 40 or 50 of you and you'll then stand against a screen with them and it will all be over in 1 minute.
Its a very Las Vegas thing.
Last time I was there I saw David Cassidy and Shenna Easton and thats what they did with her.
Her show was just fabulous and Im sure Donnie and Marie will be even better! I got a soft spot for Donnie!
#163

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

'He has an edge in the beginning but unfortunately he turns into super nice guy pretty soon. Overall Kimloo has too much of a soft, kindly voice. He forgets to keep a certain posture and imposing persona as he is meant to be a big shot mogul within Coney. Yes, the Phantom has moments where his voice goes soft, but in this it felt like he stopped acting like the character after his first scene.'

This could be a directors decision, and score demands. As I think anyone who saw Ramins Phantom at Her Majestys would say, he was anything but soft, in fact one of the scariest ones ive seen. He fact he bordered on psycho! lol
#164

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Last year we did the VIP thing with Terry Fator (who was very good, by the way). We only did it for the best seats, we didn't realise until the night that we got the meet'n'greet thing. Terry was very nice and friendly and spent ages every night to say hello to everyone who waited, not just VIPs - they just did't get the official photo.
#165

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

If you haven't seen Le Reve in Vegas, it is a MUST.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#166

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

One thing that surprises me -- I'm sure this has been brought up before -- is how little time they are giving themselves between the end of previews and opening night -- 2 weeks I think. It sounds like the majority of people dislike the plot (I described it to my non-theater fan friend and his reaction was, "Wait, is that a joke?") and that's not a lot of time to fix it, if they realize that it's not going over well with audiences.

Personally, it sounds like one of the awful plots from PASSIONS set to music. I'm disappointed.
#167

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

The preview time it is getting is very normal for West End shows, anything up to 2 weeks has always been the norm in the UK.
There are of course a few exceptions, but very few.
I find it strange how a simple play on Broadway would still need the normal 4 or 5 weeks previews a show gets there?!?
#168

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I AM SEEING LOVE NEVER DIES TOMORROW NIGHT!!!!

So excited, have had my ticket since the very day they went on sale . I may be in the upper circle but by god I am just SOOO excited to finally see a big new full on West End musical!!! The last one was Sister Act (i'd seen Blonde on B'way). Can't wait!!
#169

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Mark_E - Have you seen Legally Blonde with Sheridan? Far better than Broadway! I'd see it again if I could.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#170

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

ooooh, Mark your like an 8 year old on Christmas Eve!
Have a fab time and a very much look forward to your report back!
#171

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Hehe, ye Matt i've seen Legally Blonde 7 times since it opened in London!!!

And I KNOW I AM!!! lol. To add to the excitement is the ELAINE PAIGE DVD SIGNING at dress circle!!!! Soooooo Excited for tomorrow!!
#172

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Good for you! And have a wonderful time at Love Never Dies!
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#175

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

SPOILERS...DON'T READ THE WORDS ON THE IMAGE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ENDING OF LOVE NEVER DIES!!!


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