Loving You: The Untold Sondheim podcast — Page 3

joevitus said: "
I really appreciate that. But 1) isn't it odd that Milnesdoesn't take into account that when Sondheim says "A litte camp goes a long way" (I'm probably not getting thatquote exaclty right) might be referring to the American concept of camp and explain the discrepancy? Also, Milnescalls Beat the Devil "camp," which is just weird, in terms of either the American or British use of the term."

I think the connection too is that obsessively loving Beat the Devil is camp, in and of itself. It connects to diva worship, etc. Not always to the actual qualities of the film itself.

Speaking of, on social media, I won't say where, someone who is a big Woody Allen AND Sondheim fan, has discounted this entire podcast because he says he knows that Sondheim was never friends with Mia and would never believe her lies. OOoh boy."

That reminds me of the time I heard someone say "I don't think I've seen Bigfoot. I know I have."

I don't know how many posters already knew this but you can watch Sondheim's memorial service at TOFT if you're interested in more stories.

EricMontreal22 said: "joevitus said: "
I really appreciate that. But 1) isn't it odd that Milnesdoesn't take into account that when Sondheim says "A litte camp goes a long way" (I'm probably not getting thatquote exaclty right) might be referring to the American concept of camp and explain the discrepancy? Also, Milnescalls Beat the Devil "camp," which is just weird, in terms of either the American or British use of the term."

I think the connection too is that obsessively loving Beat the Devil is camp, in and of itself. It connects to diva worship, etc. Not always to the actual qualities of the film itself."

This is the about the only explanation that would make sense to me. I guess Jones' superb, uppercrust delivery (she gives me the impression she'd have been wonderful in Blithe Spirit or Private Lives) and Lollobrigida's phonetically learned English performance could be treated as camp. But this podcast is the first time I've every heard anyone refer to the movie as being so.

Theatrefanboy1 said: "I downloaded the podcast as I was traveling with no data and service and it was my only option other than silence. I truly tried to gain some sort of insight, but am I the only one to find it came across as two gossips making inferences and telling stories that I don't know should have been told or was made out to be far more important than it was. I don't I just found it to be disrespectful of those who have passed. At first I had hoped there would be a redeeming moment or something to connect it to importance, but sadly it didn't."

No, they’re a bit insufferable and self-obsessed in all the ways theatre queens are stereotyped to be. I listened to an episode and a half and then removed them from my downloads. If this was the company Steve kept, he can keep ‘em.

So much potential and such a frustrating and annoying outcome. Milnes himself, the dramatic re-creations…ugh. And I just got the sense that they interviewed a lot of people who were Steve’s social friends but not actually Steve’s best friends, most of whom have sadly died. The better episodes were the ones where they interviewed people who were close with Steve for decades (Maltby, Shires, Lapine, Adam Guettel, Jamie Bernstein). And so oddly UK oriented.

Updated On: 7/11/26 at 07:05 AM