LuPone on McDonald — Page 23

verywellthensigh said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "verywellthensigh said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "MB124 said: "So I’m stupid because I don’t agree with you.

Got it.

Well you’re wasting your breath and time.

“Nuance” is not the same thing as grasping at straws to connect a bitchy remark to someone’s race.

Don’t you think your energy might be better spent actually participating in some kind of activism?

I am sure you’ll respond but I am done trying to level with you so have fun talking to no one."

Activism is dismantling these threads of white people who want performances from Black legends, but won't defend them when a whole group of people tell you they're being disrespected. I know exactly where I am. Wouldn't your energy be better fit listening and shutting up to learn?"

No...that's raising awareness. And a lot of slacktivists and finger-wagging church ladies think it's the end point. It's not."

I will not take advice on activism by active enablers of white supremacy. You're not winning this, babe.

How have I enabled white supremacy?

I have said I thought Patti was a dick and I'm not in the dark about how racist Broadway can be. I have heard from Black friends who have worked on Broadway how unpleasant the experience can be, with at least one telling me she'd never go back.

Where we disagree is Patti's actions with the noise problem being a patently racist gesture or even a microaggression. I disagree with your logic and your hyperbolic, condescending hostility to anyone who disagrees with you makes it very difficult to take you seriously. From your love of Kafka traps to comparing minor infractions to murder to playing more-POC-than-thou with other Black voices on this board, you have done nothing but behave like Jane Elliott on massive amounts of crystal meth. If your goal--and I still don't know what it is--is to create more compassion for Black suffering, you are failing miserably. Like the White Fragility book which you clearly are a discipleof, you are meandering, hypocritical,and never come together into a cohesive argument."



I'm not expecting white people on this board to have compassion for the Black plight. Many don't do it in real life, how the hell would you do it in the theater? It's evident that some of you are willfully ignorant. So be it. But that doesn't mean I won't disturb the space. We can't all have nice things and these spaces of whiteness are luxuries for many of you bc they are typically absent of POC POV's . It's a message board. Sorry it's uncomfortable and all the other things you called my argument. I feel similar about the white mob mentality on here.

joevitus said: "blaxx said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "Midnight Radio said: "Here we go again, let's please identify her "racist tendencies." If your entire argument is she treats black people the same way she treats everyone else, the one failing to think critically or with nuance is you."

So she can treat anyone like trash and still have a fruitful career?That's WHITE PRIVILEGE my dear. You fail to admit it, but Black women are Black balled for such behavior.Patti is applauded. But no more."

Yes! This is exactly how people on this board look at her. She is "blunt", "straightforward" and a legend, thus whatever she says is admirable because it comes from her.

As Kad said on the first page of this board, agree or not, "Patti's gonna Patti."

Fighting her stand on this board is futile."

I don't find a single person describing her comments about Audra or Keisha as "admirable"? Link, copy, whatever your prefence. This is what's so singuarly insane about this argument. Pretty much EVERYONE has agreed it was a terrible way to address the issue. The response "Patti will Patti" is more a "What do you expect?" than "isn't it wonderful!" There are people who feel she was within her rights to ask for the sound levels to be lowered anda couple of people who think Keisha's original response to that was out of line.

But to paint all this aseveryone giving Patti a "You go, girl!" moment, let alone endorsing racism--the charge bandied about over and over again--is Just. Freaking. Nuts."

Well what are you doing by calling my POV nuts? Are you not endorsing her behavior?

joevitus said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "joevitus said: "blaxx said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "Midnight Radio said: "Here we go again, let's please identify her "racist tendencies." If your entire argument is she treats black people the same way she treats everyone else, the one failing to think critically or with nuance is you."

So she can treat anyone like trash and still have a fruitful career?That's WHITE PRIVILEGE my dear. You fail to admit it, but Black women are Black balled for such behavior.Patti is applauded. But no more."

Yes! This is exactly how people on this board look at her. She is "blunt", "straightforward" and a legend, thus whatever she says is admirable because it comes from her.

As Kad said on the first page of this board, agree or not, "Patti's gonna Patti."

Fighting her stand on this board is futile."

I don't find a single person describing her comments about Audra or Keisha as "admirable"? Link, copy, whatever your prefence. This is what's so singuarly insane about this argument. Pretty much EVERYONE has agreed it was a terrible way to address the issue. The response "Patti will Patti" is more a "What do you expect?" than "isn't it wonderful!" There are people who feel she was within her rights to ask for the sound levels to be lowered anda couple of people who think Keisha's original response to that was out of line.

But to paint all this aseveryone giving Patti a "You go, girl!" moment, let alone endorsing racism--the charge bandied about over and over again--is Just. Freaking. Nuts."

Well what are you doing by calling my POV nuts? Are you not endorsing her behavior?"

^^This?This line of "reasoning"? Purley nuts."

By saying we agree with you, but it's not racist is to discredit those that actually experience racism. Just bc you don't feel it doesn't mean it's there.

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 09:22 PM

joevitus said: "The response "Patti will Patti" is more a "What do you expect?" than "isn't it wonderful!"

I'm an organizational development consultant and I've been thinking a lot about this situation through my professional lens, so forgive the dispassionate thinking that follows.

I agree that reacting in this manner is not an endorsement of what she is saying.

But on some levels, "Patti will Patti" also gives LuPone a pass, a courtesy a lot of other performers would not (and do not) receive.

Who gets a pass and whose outspokenness is celebrated or condemned tends to reflect group beliefs and culture and how power and privilege operate within an organization or community.

I imagine many people here can think of someone in an organization they've been a part of at some point in their lives who got away with things that few other people would. It's reasonable for someone to want to challenge that difference or at last want to understand why it exists.

And as far as the "what do you expect?" question, I would hope we could expect any performer as experienced and intelligent as LuPone to understand the historic and current inequities in theater, television, and movies, to appreciate that their personal and professional experiences may differ from their colleagues, and to speak in a manner that reflects these understandings.

We all have the ability to edit whatever we say in any setting to reflect the values we want people to associate with us as people and professionals.

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 09:27 PM

Steve makes sense . You don’t.

abcd12 said: "The irony of straight up attacking people in an attempt to make a point about the wrongness of someone else attacking people…."

Attacking people or not backing down to a mob of ignorance? Bc other folks are actually agreeing with my same points. I may not articulate it in the way you want, but that doesn’t make the point invalid.

Patti LuPone has a huge ego, and is frankly, a bully. I mean to this day (30 plus years later) she still thinks it's funny to diss Madonna's performance in Evita. Sure, that was not an Oscar winner, but, come on, girl, give it a rest.

And the "isn't it a beautiful day" comment was completely unnecessary. Personally, I can't even listen to Patti LuPone sing "Everything's Coming Up Roses", but, cannot get enough of Audra's version.

And, there is this. PERFECT timing.

Take that Patti!

Let's face it- Patti Lupone is a wonderful performer- but is an a-hole nevertheless. She should keep her mouth shut with all of her disrespecting and insulting comments about her peers- but she cannot help herself because this is who she is. An ASS.