New movie with cheynne jackson, huge thing about it on AOL

[wicked4life51]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 9:10pm

there is a behind the scenes clips and the TRAILER of United Flight 93 with cheynne jackson

there is a problem that people dont want the trailer to be shown, but if you have aol check it out

and check out the aol website u can watch the behind the scenes and trailer on it

check it out

thanks
zACK

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 9:33pm

I know it's a very sensitive subject, but it's a story that needs to be told. Needs to be preserved for future generations. The greatest art can allow for catharsis and many people may find great, though painful, comfort from this film and others like it.

Maybe that's naive, but I truly believe that art can be that important.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 9:56pm

I'm a little worried it'll be propaganda.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 10:00pm

From what I have read, all of the families of that flight have given their blessing. Greengrass sounds extremely sincere. It will premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival, which benefits downtown NYC.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 10:10pm

I just don't feel very positive about it but whatever. I doubt I'll even go see it. I'll just avoid the press.

[wicked4life51]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 11:50pm

thank you jrb i love you , and thats right yes everything you said was right

and if i were to say it then it would suck

WHAT DID YOU GET A 1600 ON YOURE SAT?

[zzannahk]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 11:52pm

isn't 1600 a bad score now?

[zzannahk]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:00am

"The Families of Flight 93 have said that Universal Pictures will donate 10 percent of the first three days' grosses to the memorial."


Why isn't this quote coming from Universal itself, I think this is a good idea, but I would like to have a legit source for it.

[jimnysf]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:07am

Universal should be ashamed as should Nick Cage who has another 9/11 film coming out this year. It's too soon for this. It impacted many people, not just the families of Flight 93. The whole country changed that day and for anyone to make money from turning it into "entertainment" is a disgrace!

[Kringas]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:13am

While I certainly understand the strong feelings things like this evoke, this is hardly the first time that 9/11 has been used for inspiration.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:14am

Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. It's not the right time for this sort of movie, and we don't need a Hollywood take on a national tragedy. It perpetuates racist stereotypes and cheapens the impact of a real drama we are all fully aware of. It is important for history to be recorded, but for once, let us record history truthfully, fully, and without such obvious bias. And for crying out loud, not as a movie designed to entertain.

But anyway, this is completely off topic.

[Kringas]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:15am

This isn't meant to antagonize, but to those who say it's not the right time, what do you honestly think is an appropriate length of time before entertainment should reflect events that affect the world?

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:20am

And how can you be certain of the creative artists' motivations? It's too easy to assume that everyone in Hollywood is only out for money. Some people actually care about the art of what they are doing.

And, wicked4life, I can't tell if your comments were sarcastic to me or sincere. If the former, I certainly wasn't trying to counter anything you were saying.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:44am

Good point, Kringas. I will admit I'm less worried about whether or not it is still a sensitive topic as I am about other things. But it is useless to worry about these things because they are things already ingrained in the American social conscious, and a movie will only conflagrate, rather than discourage.

These sorts of movies rarely interest me. As fun as it is to watch Vin Diesel/Orlando Bloom/Pick impersonate an American war hero. I'm not saying who can make what movie, I'm just saying that they are very hit and miss for me, and I am hesitant to call them art and even more hesitant to call them accurate representations of history. I'm also tired of the awful and narrow representation of people of Middle Eastern descent in American media. Call me out on that one, say I'm oversensitive, I won't step up. I just feel that way.

Jerby, I certainly can't ascertain their intentions, but I imagine the producers are meaning for this piece of work to make money. I, personally, think it's a little tasteless, and therefore will avoid it, but each and every person who sees it will consider it differently, as is what happens with works of "art". It is a personal opinion, and now it's out there, and feel free to refute it, but remember that I'm only thinking out loud. If you have an alternate opinion, please detail it as I am interested in reading it.

Updated On: 4/5/06 at 12:44 AM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:50am

There is nothing wrong with wanting to make money from art. Universal is donating a portion of what the film makes to 9/11 charity.

And, I'm a fan of narrative non-fiction, so I look to this film as an opportunity to learn as much as we can about that day. Some people may not be ready. That's fine and fair. I am. I'll be seeing this film. And if it's not a fair film, I'll be the first to say that I feel it isn't.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:56am

Inherently, it can not be a fair film. It is part speculative fiction, as any of these takes on history which guess at the holes and fill in the blanks of the personalities involved must ultimately be. Often the facts are altered or enhanced for the sake of a more interesting movie. As a tale of human tragedy I can see how you hope to learn from it, but you probably learned more back during the days when it happened then you will from a movie set to the tunes of swelling strings, muted trumpets and fluttering flags.

I'm being unfair. It's vital for society to understand and interpret its history, though it's easy to dissent. How do you do it perfectly? People criticize Schindler's List, which is to me a beautiful movie. But movies tell you what to think. Images mislead because they can never tell everything. I think it's dangerous.

Perhaps this is exactly the right time. People will be sensitive and go in with more information. After all, we're not being educated on an event here. We're having it reflected.

[Kringas]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 12:58am

Is this different then something like The Guys, which appeared on stage five months after 9/11?

And I don't think you're being oversensitive, Roninjoey. I certainly see the validity of your feelings. Imagine that you are conclusively sure that the film is neither attempting to exploit 9/11 in terms of money or propaganda. In that specific scenario, do you still think it's too soon?

Edited: The post you wrote while I was typing mine more or less explains your feelings, so feel free to disregard my question.

Edited once more: As a tale of human tragedy I can see how you hope to learn from it, but you probably learned more back during the days when it happened then you will from a movie set to the tunes of swelling strings, muted trumpets and fluttering flags.

I would agree that the picture you paint of the film ("swelling strings, muted trumpets and fluttering flags," a picture that could be completely accurate for all any of us know) would present fewer lessons learned than actually living it during the days it happened, but on the other hand, there's something to be said for a little distance.

Updated On: 4/5/06 at 12:58 AM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 1:01am

Sweetie, every history book and historical film is full of things that are not "the truth". All we can gather is the facts and the ideas that come from those sources. And much information has been released since those days that will fill in many holes. Do the writers and actors have to fill in the holes? Yes. But this is very true of Schindler's List. No one is supposed to walk away from SL thinking that every scene was exactly "the truth"--merely the essence. That's all we can expect from this film.

At least you know you are being unfair. Though your opinion is very valid and clearly the same as many others'.

Updated On: 4/5/06 at 01:01 AM

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 1:14am

I think you're being slightly condescending, and you're actually missing my point. If you would like, I could name a few history books that are infinitely more informative and even entertainingly readable than the history books available to most high school students. We ought to be teaching students how to read discerningly between fact and opinion, and stick to books that are clear about which is which. That said, we can never capture the essence of the truth, because the truth is subjective. The winner writes history. Not even--we all read history from our own perspective. Nationalism, jingoism, sheer human vanity all play a part. There would be no Schindler's List if there were Nazi sympathizers en masse in the world.

We can only present the facts, and our take on the facts, always peppered by personal sensitivities. And the facts can be put just so to be extremely deceiving.

What does bother me is the deliberate manipulation of the truth, or the tendency in this country (and anywhere, I imagine) to teach a certain truth rather than the real truth. Even so far as teaching an accepted lie. Is it inevitable that 9-11 will become a lie?

Nor am I standing up for a group of people who did something extremely wrong, although I still think there is racial victimization occuring here.

Maybe I should see the movie to see if they proved me wrong. And how am I ever to know?

This is a great thread. This movie has been on my mind all day and it's great to finally get my thoughts out with some challenging ideas.

Oh, and Kringas, again, good point. Simply lately, I find myself trying to be more perceptive about where I get my emotional catharsis. Trying to figure out when, where, and why.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 1:20am

Well, it wasn't my intention to be condescending toward you.

I agree that we should see the film before judging it. And like many events in history, it's unlikely everyone will agree on how things are being portrayed. But, art can't worry about that. Art can only tell the story at hand.

As for the racism aspect, I think that's a whole other bag of worms. I don't think it's racism to portray the facts of that day as they were. It's racism to portray a caricature or 1 dimensional representation.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 1:43am

I deleted this because I felt I didn't articulate my point well.

Updated On: 4/5/06 at 01:43 AM

[Dre2387]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 2:27am

i would like to see it but I must say, by just watching the trailer, I got goosebumps and I'm on the verge of tears. none of my family was hurt during that day, but it was very tramatic being is school when it happened, first hearing it as a joke then finding out it was real. Being so close to NYC (I live about 4o minutes from it in NJ), I could walk 5 minutes from my house to a view of the cemetary and see the smoke rising from the towers for about a week. and now knowing that it has happened in a country that we once thought as safe, it;s scary.

when i first heard they were making movies about 9/11, i was horrified. thought it was too soon. it is too soon, but i do want to know more about what happened on that day.

[zzannahk]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 6:29am

i think forcing (for lack of a better word) this preview upon unsuspecting people is unfair because of people's different emotional reactions, however maybe the theater could put up a sign saying that this preview will appear before this movie, that way people can avoid the previews or so it doesn't come as such a shock to theatergoers

[HeyJayNYC]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 6:57am

I find it interesting that Cheynne is playing Mark Bingham, the Gay rugby player who became a hero in that he was probably one of the leaders for taking back the plane.
We all need heros now, and those people on that plane all were heros. They fought back and they fought for their lives.
I hope if I'm ever in a situation like that I will fight too.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 4/5/06 at 9:54am

The problem as I see it is this entire film is speculative. No one really knows what went on during the flight. And regardless, the film's producers are simply capitalizing on this event. I'm not thrilled about the Nicholas Cage film either, but I don't believe that is based on a true story. It's one thing to have a film with 9/11 as a backdrop to the fictional story, quite another to attempt to write (or re-write) history. Munich relied on heavy speculation and very little fact...but that was such a long time ago those wounds have healed for the most part.