Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?

[BustopherPhantom]

Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#1

Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:30pm

So Ken Mandelbaum is, apparently, writing an expansion to NOT SINCE CARRIE: going from the years 1992-Now, what shows do you think should be included, and why?

To start off: the laundry list of Jukebox Musicals that went up in flames following MAMMA MIA! and MOVIN' OUT:

The Look of Love
All Shook Up
Good Vibrations
Lennon
Hot Feet
Ring of Fire
The Times They Are A-Changin'

"Y'know, I think Bertolt Brecht was rolling in his grave."
-Nellie McKay on the 2006 Broadway production of The Threepenny Opera, in which she played Polly Peachum

Updated On: 9/10/08 at 06:30 PM

[husk_charmer]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#2

Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:31pm

In my Life.

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[thejcm]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#2

Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:31pm

The Blonde and the Thunderbird

"Who says you can't bend over backwards and eat bugs if you want to? I guess the bugs would probably say you can't do that that, but assuming that they are willing and consenting bugs, then there's no problem. Let's wig out eating bugs." -RuPaul

[philly03]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#3

Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:34pm

I'd love to see some Wildhorn shows in there (I haven't read the first one all the way through, so not even sure if htey'd all fit).

Jekyll & HYDE (To see how it could have been that pricey to run!

The Scarlet Pimpernel (flopped not once, not twice, three times on Broadway!)

Dracula, the musical

[Weez]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#4

Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:34pm

Pirate Queen - how could something that sounded so right end up so wrong?

Glory Day - it's a tiny pathetic joke, but I want to see "Glory Day" in official print. XD

A whole chapter on why vampire musicals are not a good idea would be nice too. :)

Notes from the Earlham Street Gutter

[GlindatheGood22]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#5

Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:34pm

Side Show
Glory Days

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[ray-andallthatjazz86]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#6

Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:42pm

I forgot what Mandelbaum's criteria for the first book was, I know it was a combination of economics and how long the show ran. So just focusing on the flop status, I'd like to see him talk about:
PASSION
CAROLINE, OR CHANGE
GREY GARDENS
IN MY LIFE
RAGTIME
STEEL PIER
And the bunch of revivals that have flopped like WONDERFUL TOWN, SWEET CHARITY, LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS, etc.

"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"

[justme2]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#7

Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:46pm

This is an easy one!

The Best Little Whorehouse Goes Public

"My dreams, watching me said, one to the other...this life has let us down."

[Unknown User]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#8

Posted: 9/10/08 at 7:44pm

Dance of the Vampires

[tourboi]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#9

Posted: 9/10/08 at 7:53pm

The stories behind DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES could fill a novel in themselves! That said, I'd love to have that included.

Also LESTAT, and MAMBO KINGS.

[TheBoyDownstairs]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#10

Posted: 9/10/08 at 7:58pm

Nick & Nora

[Parks]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#11

Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:00pm

What is considered a flop? A show that just never recoups? Aren't there shows that can run for a long time, but never recoup? Did DRS recoup?

"If it walks like a Parks, if it wobbles like a Parks, then it's definitely fat and nobody loves it." --MA

[philly03]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#12

Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:06pm

Jekyll & HYDE could possibly be the longest running flop (not sure though, but it has to be top 3). The show ran for 3 years and lost reportedly $1/1.5 million (of Wildhorn's $20 Mil debt from his original 3 shows!)

[BustopherPhantom]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#13

Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:06pm

Mandelbaum defined a "flop" (in the interest of his book) as a show that ran equal to/less than 250 performances, had no national tour, and is not performed afterwards with any sort of regularity: there are simply too many shows out there that ran, but lost money, to make the definition too much broader than that.

"Y'know, I think Bertolt Brecht was rolling in his grave."
-Nellie McKay on the 2006 Broadway production of The Threepenny Opera, in which she played Polly Peachum

Updated On: 9/10/08 at 08:06 PM

[Scarywarhol]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#14

Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:12pm

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This title makes me think that someone should make a musical out of the movie, CARRIE 2! That would be BRIIIIIIILLIANT

[BobbyBubby]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#15

Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:48pm

Look of Love was at Roundabout, a regional theatre, and therefore is not considered a flop.

[sondheimboy2]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#16

Posted: 9/11/08 at 12:14am

He also didn't include revues or "non-book" shows such as "Working" or "Is There Life After High School", or songbook revues such as "Perfectly Frank" (so "Look of Love" will most likely not get covered in this one) or shows that were successful in London and bombed here such as "Chess"

If he sticks to the less than 250 performances rule, "Passion" ran too long to be included.

I hopes that he goes back to some of the shows he discussed in the last book, but got cut from the final version for space reasons and includes them in this one.

I would love to read about "Maggie" and "Gottu Go Disco" and "The Nervous Set" (I recently fell in love with the song "Ballad of the Sad Young Men" and want to know more about the show that it's from) and "Cool Off" and "Kicks and Co" (which closed out of town after only three performances and starred Burgess Meredith and was directed by Lorraine "Raisin in the Sun" Hansberry).

"A coherent existance after so many years of muddle" - Desiree' Armfelt, A Little Night Music "Life keeps happening everyday, Say Yes" - 70, Girls, 70 "Life is what you do while you're waiting to die" - Zorba

[FindingNamo]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#17

Posted: 9/11/08 at 12:26am

Will he be able to cover shows he couldn't see once he was no longer allowed in theaters?

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[commasplice]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#18

Posted: 9/11/08 at 2:22am

Parks - in the strictest sense of the word, a flop is a show that doesn't recoup, but like Bustopher said, Ken Mandelbaum whittles down that list further using his own, more specific criteria. And DRS did not recoup.

Namo - LOL.

[Mattbrain]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#19

Posted: 9/11/08 at 7:32am

Vampire musicals
The Civil War
Cry Baby

That's all I can think of.

But I want Not Since Carrie 1 back in print if this is goin' down.

Butters, go buy World of Warcraft, install it on your computer, and join the online sensation before we all murder you. --Cartman: South Park ATTENTION FANS: I will be played by James Barbour in the upcoming musical, "BroadwayWorld: The Musical."

[commasplice]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#20

Posted: 9/11/08 at 9:56am

Mattbrain, Not Since Carrie is still in print, according to Bowker's Books in Print [booksinprint.com] (and they are pretty much as up-to-date as it gets when it comes to books).

[Mister Matt]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#21

Posted: 9/11/08 at 6:10pm

Is it just me, or do I remember Best Little Whorehouse Goes Public and Nick & Nora in Not Since Carrie? I'll have to check my copy when I get home.

Personally, I would love to hear more about:

The Wild Party
Chronicle of a Death Foretold

"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

[Mr Roxy]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#22

Posted: 9/11/08 at 6:21pm

DOTV
Dracula
BLWGP
Nick & Nora
Annie 2

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[Mattbrain]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#23

Posted: 9/11/08 at 7:27pm

Sonovagun, it is!

Mr. Roxy, what's BLWGP?

Butters, go buy World of Warcraft, install it on your computer, and join the online sensation before we all murder you. --Cartman: South Park ATTENTION FANS: I will be played by James Barbour in the upcoming musical, "BroadwayWorld: The Musical."

[wiggum2]

re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?#24

Posted: 9/11/08 at 8:14pm

I'm pretty sure Annie 2 is in the first book