Phantom in Seoul to resume performances

[Plannietink08]

Posted: 4/17/20 at 3:56pm

The current world tour of Phantom of the Opera, which is currently playing is Seoul, is to resume performances on April 23rd.

This is a small bit of good news! Although it’s likely that we won’t be theatres in the West open for a long time it’s great to see some part of normality resuming in the world. 

[Tag]

Posted: 4/17/20 at 4:48pm

Worth watching THIS.  The climate in South Korea is very different.

[Wick3]

Posted: 4/17/20 at 8:22pm

Thx for sharing that video! The culture in South Korea is so different from the USA. Those apps showing confirmed patients' whereabouts just seem to be too much a violation of privacy here. I applaud South Korea for prioritizing public health over privacy during pandemics though. 

[JennH]

Posted: 4/17/20 at 10:31pm

^^^ I applaud S.K. for taking measures, drastic though they were, because it's proof that it worked/is working. Some semblance of normalcy is restored. And I want to get through this mess as quickly as the next person does. However, I'm not a fan of privacy invasion. I don't think privacy and public health need to be on unequal footing, we can care about both equally and get things done without invading privacy. Just like closure and "stay at home" measures, privacy laws serve a purpose too. They keep tyranny at bay. I might have to ask my cousin who lives there what he thought of their measures from a privacy POV, because though the measures worked, I question the privacy aspect. And if I haven't made it clear on other threads, I DETEST most current U.S. leadership, particularly the federal level. Some state/local leaders have done better, but I'm not a real fan of anyone. But "never waste a crisis" and "sacrificing liberty for security" are still timeless truths for a reason. And I'll make something else clear...I'm not "tin foil hat", I know those people who parrot not taking the future vaccine because it'll inject you with chip tech, this was faked (these people literally ask if anyone actually knows anyone who's contracted this...), etc, you know the ones. And I want to smack them all. But that doesn't mean one can't/shouldn't be wary of potential power grabs. This applies to both "sides" and every move they both make need close examining. 

[Dancingthrulife2]

Posted: 4/19/20 at 1:25am

JennH said: "^^^ I applaud S.K. for taking measures, drastic though they were, because it's proof that it worked/is working. Some semblance of normalcy is restored. And I want to get through this mess as quickly as thenext person does.However, I'm not a fan of privacy invasion. I don't think privacy and public health needto be on unequal footing, we can care about both equally and get things done without invading privacy. Just like closure and "stay at home" measures, privacy laws serve a purpose too. They keep tyranny at bay. I might have to ask my cousin who lives there what he thought of their measures from a privacy POV, because thoughthe measures worked,I question the privacy aspect. And if I haven't made it clear on other threads, I DETEST most current U.S. leadership, particularly thefederal level. Some state/local leaders have done better, but I'm not a real fan of anyone. But "never waste a crisis" and "sacrificing liberty for security" are still timeless truths for a reason. And I'll make something else clear...I'm not "tin foil hat", I know those people who parrot not taking the future vaccine because it'll inject you with chip tech, this was faked (these people literally ask if anyone actually knows anyone who's contracted this...), etc,you know the ones. And I want to smack them all.But that doesn't mean one can't/shouldn't be wary of potential power grabs. This applies to both "sides" and every move they both make need close examining."

Tell that to all the people who DIED because some people are unwilling for temporally forgo their civil liberties. In times like this, all the talks of human rights must be put behind the ultimate human right—the right to LIVE. They are otherwise bull**** if people are dying left and right.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 4/19/20 at 2:08am

I especially don't trust sacrificing personal data like this with this administration. While it's immensely useful, it's also incredibly hard to wind something like this back once it's not as necessary.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 4/19/20 at 6:26am

Dancingthrulife2 said: "Tell that to all the people who DIED because some people are unwilling for temporally forgo their civil liberties. In times like this, all the talks of human rights must be put behind the ultimate human right—the right to LIVE. They are otherwise bull**** if people are dying left and right."

There are some sacrifices for having liberty, and legally speaking the state and federal governments are limited in what they can require. While stay at home orders are mostly constitutional, requiring people to submit to temperature monitoring or present proof of health most likely is not. Civil liberties cannot be entirely restricted, there are limits. Employers have leeway in this respect, but business owners cannot impose restrictions on customers. But this is all legally untested. The problem we are experiencing is a direct result of the lack of COVID-19 testing. 

[JennH]

Posted: 4/19/20 at 12:43pm

Thank you Lizzie and Fosse. Although after doing some bare bones research, S.K. seems to have extremely  sophisticated technology that allows for aggressive measures but not encroach on civil liberties. And it doesn't entirely shock me when I think about it. S.K. is a country that has, and continues, to develop at such a high rate in what seem to be all the right ways. No system is perfect, but they seem to know what the heck they're doing. 

Dancing, I'm with you on right to life 100%. But authoritarian states are much bigger killers than any modern disease and are the ultimate violator of that right to life. Remember the analogy of a frog in a water pot. A slow erosion of civil liberties ultimately leads to violating the right to life. I have NO issue staying home to keep myself and others from getting this, but humans generally suck at doing what's best for the collective whole. If we all stayed home/distanced like we should (not that there's anywhere to go or anything to do anyway...) measures like these wouldn't be necessary. I feel like Cuomo put everything on pause but didn't say "You can't leave your home unless it's for essentials" because he felt it would encourage us all to distance, just from having nothing to do. We can't entirely avoid death in pandemics, especially when it's a novel disease that we don't everything about, now matter how much it hurts my idealistic self to say. But we can mitigate as best we can.