Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here- Page 8
Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
#175Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:39am
Yes, this season was jam packed. Philly, we will never know what the outcome would have been if the show had remained open. It's done, it's over. Please don't perpetuate this throughout the entire Tony season.
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#176Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:40am
""The show could have run another two, three, four, six, nine, twelve weeks; it still wouldn't have been nominated. The nominators saw it, and it didn't happen. That's that."
It didn't happen because it closed!!! What don't you understand! Especially since it was so critically acclaimed lord. You are crazy for thinking that!"
The point , phillypinto, is that a number of well reviewed shows that are now closed got nominations. Running longer would not have made a difference. Those making the nominations saw it as well as every other show this season. They chose to nominate other closed shows and not Honeymoon in Vegas. It wasn't in the cards for the show. What is so difficult for you to understand about this? Why do you have such a difficult time looking at facts and evidence? Seriously answer that question. Why are facts and evidence so difficult for you?
#177Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:41am
The show was critically acclaimed. It was a very packed season, but Honeymoon still got some of the best reviews. Everyone changed their tune once it closed
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#178Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:45am
I'm really disappointed about Side Show; what's bothering me is that there was room for it. I don't understand why they didn't give it the fourth slot. It was so well received by the critics and the theater community alike; it just didn't achieve commercial success with the tourists. Some of these snubs seem so intentional and premeditated, but perhaps it's just me.
Beyond that, I'm thrilled by the love for Fun Home and agree that the rest of the nominations are spot on.
#179Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:48am
They didn't deny Side Show the "fourth spot" because there was no guaranteed fourth spot. There were three spots available and if and only if the voting was close enough (margin of three votes) would a fourth spot be used.
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#180Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:48am
"If Honeymoon in Vegas just stayed open 3 more weeks, these nominations would have been completely different
You're the biggest f*cking idiot I've ever encountered on the internet.... And that is saying a lot. "
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#181Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:48am
I knew it was a long shot for Side Show, but I was hoping it would get something. Like I was thrilled when Finian's Rainbow was remembered a few years ago. But, I do think Side Show was better, so that's why I wish it did get something despite closing.
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#182Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:51am
Personally, I didn't care for Honeymoon in Vegas so I don't feel that bad that it was snubbed but I do think McClure was worthy for consideration....and I do think Orchestrations would have been worthy. Too many things about the show bothered me from the direction, choreography, book, and a lot of the performances were just serviceable at best. McClure and to a lesser extent, Nancy Opel were the standouts.
Granted, yes, it is all about opinion and I was expecting a couple of nominations for it today so I am mildly surprised but not completely shocked.
If it were still open, it may have fared better...anything would have been better, but we will never know.
As a whole, this seems to be one of the best nomination lists of recent years.
#183Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:52am
""If Honeymoon in Vegas just stayed open 3 more weeks, these nominations would have been completely different
You're the biggest f*cking idiot I've ever encountered on the internet.... And that is saying a lot. "
Actually it is impossible for this poster to clam 'the biggest f*cking Idiot I've ever encountered on the internet".
Surely this dubious honour belongs to you sir. "
wait I'm confused, what are you talking about? I never said "you're the biggest f*cking idiot I've ever encountered on the internet." Who are you talking to?
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#184Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:54am
For those who think Fun Home is a slam dunk to win Best Musical, don't forget that Fun Home is not viewed as a show that will tour well, and the regional theatre owners make up a huge percentage of the Tony voters (1/3?). I actually believe Fun Home has the least chance of winning, but we'll see!
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#185Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:56am
"The show was critically acclaimed. It was a very packed season, but Honeymoon still got some of the best reviews. Everyone changed their tune once it closed "
Critics are not on the nominating committee. Who changed their tune? Chances are the show didn't catch for the committee for the same reasons it couldn't attract an audience.
the fact of the matter is, the committee saw the show. They did not nominate it. The committee saw other shows that have long since closed. Some of those shows did get nominated. The fact that they closed months before nominations were announced did not hurt them. To think that the closing of Honeymoon hurt the show's chances is to ignore the evidence to the contrary. Again, I ask you to please tell us why you have such a hard time looking at facts and evidence. There is strong evidence that the early closing did not make a difference because there are other shows that closed much earlier that did get nominations.
#186Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:57am
"The point , phillypinto, is that a number of well reviewed shows that are now closed got nominations. Running longer would not have made a difference. Those making the nominations saw it as well as every other show this season. They chose to nominate other closed shows and not Honeymoon in Vegas. It wasn't in the cards for the show. What is so difficult for you to understand about this? Why do you have such a difficult time looking at facts and evidence? Seriously answer that question. Why are facts and evidence so difficult for you?"
You can't just look at the show when talking about nominations, you also have to look at the competition. This is our youth got a nomination beating out Heidi Chronicles and Its Only a Play for best revival. Its Only a Play already recouped and Heidi is closing. Both of those shows weren't as well received as This is Our Youth. Honeymoon in Vegas was better received than The Visit and Something Rotten, but they decided to nominate those shows because they are still open.
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#187Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:01pm
Touring voters make up about 10% of the vote. And it's often been shown that their votes don't really matter all that much- last year with Gentleman's Guide and 2006 with Spring Awakening are two shows that won despite not being good tour prospects.
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#188Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:04pm
"I'm really disappointed about Side Show; what's bothering me is that there was room for it. I don't understand why they didn't give it the fourth slot. It was so well received by the critics and the theater community alike; it just didn't achieve commercial success with the tourists. Some of these snubs seem so intentional and premeditated, but perhaps it's just me.
Beyond that, I'm thrilled by the love for Fun Home and agree that the rest of the nominations are spot on. "
The SIDE SHOW shut out is what hurts most of all, but as expected as it was, I really was hoping I would be proven wrong in that case.
I still can't get over how many shows were just ignored completely or just received a single nomination.
#189Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:06pm
This is true.
And once again a show with limited touring potential will win the Tony further showing the lack of potency that voting block has.
ETA: this was in repsonse to Wizard's post.
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#190Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:07pm
Not so much a rant, but I am a bit surprised that the orchestrations for "On the Town" were not nominated! I thought the music sounded so lush and wonderful!! (On the other hand, were the orchestrations eligible or were they the original? I tried to search for the Tony Committee rulings on it, but was unable to find any information.)
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#191Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:07pm
""The point , phillypinto, is that a number of well reviewed shows that are now closed got nominations. Running longer would not have made a difference. Those making the nominations saw it as well as every other show this season. They chose to nominate other closed shows and not Honeymoon in Vegas. It wasn't in the cards for the show. What is so difficult for you to understand about this? Why do you have such a difficult time looking at facts and evidence? Seriously answer that question. Why are facts and evidence so difficult for you?"
You can't just look at the show when talking about nominations, you also have to look at the competition. This is our youth got a nomination beating out Heidi Chronicles and Its Only a Play for best revival. Its Only a Play already recouped and Heidi is closing. Both of those shows weren't as well received as This is Our Youth. Honeymoon in Vegas was better received than The Visit and Something Rotten, but they decided to nominate those shows because they are still open. "
Better received by whom? Again, critics don't nominate shows for Tony Awards. It certainly wasn't received well by audiences, and it wasn't received well by the committee. The committee is not concerned about what the critics had to say about a show.
#192Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:08pm
You know who was really "snubbed?" Santo Loquasto for his set of A DELICATE BALANCE! The production wasn't entirely great, but that was a gorgeous set. Anyway, carry on...
#193Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:09pm
"Not so much a rant, but I am a bit surprised that the orchestrations for "On the Town" were not nominated! I thought the music sounded so lush and wonderful!! (On the other hand, were the orchestrations eligible or were they the original? I tried to search for the Tony Committee rulings on it, but was unable to find any information.)"
I hadn't even caught that yet.
That is a shame. The 30 piece orchestra was AMAZING!
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#194Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:12pm
The On the Town orchestrations are not new and, therefore, ineligible.
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#195Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:14pm
Small list of nominees, so many shows were completely shut out. Wow.
I am just so thrilled that Beth Malone got a nod, her performance is one of the best I've ever seen, and last year she wasn't nominated for much. All the Fun Home love makes me so happy.
On The Town should have a nom for Best Orchestrations, most definetely.
Not every show will be nominated. Neverland, Honeymoon, and Sideshow just weren't good enough.
#196Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:18pm
Matthew Morrison and Kelsey Grammer were snubbed. I can't help but think that Weinstein affected that.
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#197Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:20pm
"They didn't deny Side Show the "fourth spot" because there was no guaranteed fourth spot. There were three spots available and if and only if the voting was close enough (margin of three votes) would a fourth spot be used. "
Thanks for clarifying; I misunderstood the rules. That makes me feel better. Haha :)
#198Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:20pm
On The Town should have a nom for Best Orchestrations, most definetely.
They were INELIGIBLE, being that they were written seventy years ago, and not new.
#199Rant about the 2015 TONY NOMINATIONS here
Posted: 4/28/15 at 12:22pm
For those who think Fun Home is a slam dunk to win Best Musical, don't forget that Fun Home is not viewed as a show that will tour well, and the regional theatre owners make up a huge percentage of the Tony voters (1/3?).
That fan theory is really outdated and was mostly only bitter speculation. The flip side to that theory is that the Tony is given to the "show that needs the award". It all depends on the team of fans of the losing Best Musical as to which theory is popular each year. Whatever show wins this year, there will be a popular theory as to why it won even though it didn't deserve to win. And because it's likely to be Fun Home, it will probably be the latter of the two I mentioned.
PS - The theories only apply to musicals. Nobody ever theorizes about the plays.
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