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Rumormill: REPUBLICAN CONVENTION Closes ASSASSINS


Overheard a discussion about how the Republican Party felt it was against their best interests to have Assassins running in New York during the Republican Convention, so they made some requests to the Roundabout...

Do what you will:
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Why am I not surprised...I'm not saying it's true or anything, it probably isn't, but if it is...well...again, I am not surprised...
"And now for something completely different..."
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The idea that anyone at the republican national convention would care enough to CLOSE a not-for-profit musical is crazy. First of all the convention isn't until the end of August and Assassins is closing mid July. Second it would seem like recomending it's attendees don't go see Assassins might do the trick...rather than going out of the way to close it(which is unrealistic). Third...don't you think the convention would be more worried about protesters(most likely there will be many) than an artsy out of the way musical that targets the faltering of the American Dream(Not the republican national convention)...Finally...why on EARTH would you think Roundabout would bend to such "requests". This sort of talk is silly. Isn't it possible that there just aren't enough tickets selling...isn't that a much more realistic possibility... especially 'cause the show in question is ASSASSINS...one that doesn't nessarily play to the ticket buying masses?



KC
Jesus saves. I spend.

Updated On: 6/30/04 at 12:52 PM

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That's absolutely ridiculous.
So does that mean that the entire state of Florida can't watch F9/11 because our gov's bro is the prez?
I'm not trying to blast you Jamie Hat but where on earth did you hear that from?
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It's all over the "other" board...but it was quickly squashed by similar posts. Except over there they were trying to included The Normal Heart...as if there was a comittee that was going about closing shows. Actually Jamie Hat misheard a rumor about how the Republican National Convention was going to "Assassinate" Larry Kramer and Neil Patrick Harris. An easy mistake to make.

KC
Jesus saves. I spend.

Updated On: 6/30/04 at 12:55 PM

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No one has given a good reason yet why this show is harmful to Republicans. It makes no sense to me.

And no matter how good it was...it's always been a difficult sell. Look at the proliferation of snarky, tounge-in-cheek musicals that are so popular these days. Do you really think a piece that is practically avant-garde would appeal to the masses??

PS I LOVED IT!
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
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It could be construed that ASSASSINS is harmful to Republicans because the show depicts people like Charles Guiteau and Samuel Byck who were furious with their respective presidents for LYING (sound familiar) - and attempting to kill them....

(Not that I believe a word of this original post)
"High time we made a stand and shook up the views of the common man" - Tears for Fears
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But those characters are pretty much raving lunatics (fascinating lunatics...but none-the-less).

The MOST damning thing about the show for Republicans (actually...anyone who worked in counter-terrorism, regardless of political affiliation) is the fact that Sam Byck was planning on hijacking and crashing a plane into the White House. So how can anyone on earth claim that they never imagined such a scenario happening on 9/11???
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
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I think one of the scariest parts about the show for some people is that not everyone appears to be mad in the show, which offends a lot of people. They feel like the show is glorifying these acts, and some scenes seem to argue that their decisions were the right thing to do.
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Well, who doesn't appear mad in the show?

Sara Jane Moore
Leon Czolgosz
Samuel Byck
John Wilkes Booth
Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme
John Hinckley
Lee Harvey Oswald
Proprietor
Giuseppe Zangara
Charles Guiteau

Each and every one of these people/characters were "off" in one obvious way or another...The only one I 'might' concede is Czolgosz who was in such a state of sadness and despair, rather than madness.

And I'm sure there are plenty of crazys around today that have thought about trying the same thing...
"High time we made a stand and shook up the views of the common man" - Tears for Fears
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Wilkes was not mad. Just misdirected. Cerveris gives him such a cool demeanor... It's really wonderful.

THIS RUMOR IS RIDICULOUS.
Even repeating it it ridiculous.
Commenting on it is ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Hamlet's father.
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You mean aside from being obscessed with anger and revenge, suffering from narcissistic personality disorder and ultimately suicidal?

The entire "Ballad of Booth" discusses how messed up he was.
"High time we made a stand and shook up the views of the common man" - Tears for Fears
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The Ballad Of Booth is by far my favorite part of the show. I just love it!

And I completely agree about Czolgosz not being mad. At least that's how he was portrayed in the show (and he was beautifully played by Barbour) as just being a very lost and sad soul.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
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Half the country at the time agreed with him.
He committed suicide so he wouldn't spend his life in jail, or get executed by the man. The entire ballad of booth was his testimony as to why he did it.
Disturbing because his opinion wasn't one of minority in the south.
Not something I agree with, nor Sondheim for that matter (hence the Balladeer saying "what he was was off his head"), but lets remember, he wasn't alone in this assassination historically speaking like the others...
A little devil's advocate for you.
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Actually, the BALLAD OF BOOTH is way more subversive than how it appears. It's actually brilliant in the way it sets up the rest of the show. The fresh-scrubbed, all-American balladeer goes through of litany of very superficial, even silly, reasons as the why Booth would kill Lincoln. It shows how even then, Americans needed an easy scapegoat for such a devastating act.

I would never say Booth was 'mad'. It's a convenient word to place on someone whose experience we could (hopefully) never fully comprehend. The acts men commit when they've lived through the death and humiliation of losing a war may be extreme, but they are not necessarily 'crazy'.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."

Updated On: 6/30/04 at 02:02 PM

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Although, he was stalking Emma Goldman...(Barbour is heart breaking in this role - wonderful!)
"High time we made a stand and shook up the views of the common man" - Tears for Fears
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OK - Granted that the south was all angry with Lincoln - but for someone to execute a premeditated murder upon the President of the United States - there HAS TO BE SOMETHING 'OFF' WITHIN HIM...call it mad, crazy, psycho, angry, WHATEVER - SOMETHING was wrong...
"High time we made a stand and shook up the views of the common man" - Tears for Fears
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"Damn you, Johnny! You paved the way for other madmen to make us pay! Lots of madmen have had their say. But only for a day.
Listen to the stories. Hear it in the songs. Angry men dont' write the rules and guns don't right the wrongs. Hurts awhile but soon the country's back where it belongs. And that's the truth..."

It's a brilliant song. And the way it is staged in the lyrics above was genius. As NPH is singing "Lots of madmen have had thier say" all the assassins start walking and crawling almost slithering onto the stage. It gives me chills thinking about it.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
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MJR,

You call him 'off' because you can't possibly imagine yourself doing such an act. But you also can't possibly understand the life of a Southerner at the end of the Civil War. None of us can. In fact, I truly do not want to know what I'm capable of if pushed to some horrible limit.

'Crazy' is an easy term to apply. And indeed it can be applied to many of the characters in the show. But then what's interesting about watching a bunch of crazy people we can distance ourselves from? And what's the point of writing a show about 'them'?
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
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I'm not saying they're all a bunch of psychos....that WOULDN'T make for an interesting show - what makes the show work is that we CAN identify with these people - with what they went through, with what they are feeling - everything up to the point where they try to kill someone - that's what separates. Surely we've all had a passing thought of "God, I really could kill him" about someone. But then, our brains intervene and prevent that from happening.

As for Booth, we'll agree to disagree. Why weren't there thousands and thousands of attempted assassination attempts upon Lincoln if losing the war was an acceptable excuse?
"High time we made a stand and shook up the views of the common man" - Tears for Fears
#25

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I think the Republicans have more to worry about then a Sondheim musical. Try, oh I don't know,

Getting Re-Elected
Sex Scandals
Deaths in Iraq
Overblown Budget
Interest Rates
American Jobs Going Overseas
Handing Power to Iraq
War in Afghanistan
France
Germany
A New Pakistani Prime Minister
Prisoner Abuse
Israeli Palestinian Relations
The War on Terror
Fahrenheit 9/11


The list goes on and you can find "Assassins" very close to the bottom.

BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"

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