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[Liverpool]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 2:46am

hmm, and still not answer to my question. weird. and im not an expert. I was watching something on TV once, and they were tlaking about circumcision and that was one of the facts they mentioned.

[Steve2]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 3:29am

I wish B3TA07 would disappear from BWW.

[best12bars]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 7:41am

Hairspray was a LOT more fun than "The Piano," too. Maybe we should take Holly Hunter's Oscar away from her.

That movie just wasn't fun enough.

[Jon]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 7:55am

You think Travolta wasn't fat enough as Edna??? If his fat suit was any bigger, the movie would be unwatchable. On Broadway, there is a 40 foot wide stage to work with. In the movies, there are medium shots and close-ups. If Edna looks like Jabba the Hutt, she will fill the entire frame.

In the original film, Divine worked because he/she rally was that fat. On stage, Harvey looked like Harvey in a fat suit.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 8:53am

You cant really compare the 2 films as even though they are both musicals they are separate genres.Dreamgirls is a drama and Hairspray is a Camp Comedy.

I don't think you can compare Chicago and Dremagirls either.

Out of all the recent musical films i would say Hairspray is one of the best Stage to Screen adaptations.

Hairspray 9/10
Dreamgirls 9/10
The Producers 4/10
Rent 7 and a half/10
Phantom Of The Opera 5/10
Evita 8/10

Just my opinion

[B3TA07]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 9:28am

^I think 7 1/2 is way too generous. But whenever someone mentions the "RENT" film to me all I can say is "F*CK Chris Colombos" over and over so...




I wish Steve2 would overdose on valium.

Updated On: 7/31/07 at 09:28 AM

[Kringas]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 9:34am

Dreamgirls is a drama and Hairspray is a Camp Comedy.

According to BrodyFosse123 Dreamgirls is a new camp classic.

Updated On: 7/31/07 at 09:34 AM

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 9:40am

i didn't have a problem with the Rent film at all, you could tell Chris Colombus put his all in to it and was very passionate about it.The performances were great and i happened to have loved his directing (except What You Own)

Posted: 7/31/07 at 9:53am

Well, even if Hairspray were a better film than Dreamgirls (which I don't agree with at all), the Dynamites are certainly NOT better than the Dreams.

The Dreams had superstar Beyonce, powerhouse Hudson, and beautiful songbird Rose.

The Dynamites were three random girls who were lip-synching to other women's vocals. And they had like a minute and a half of screen time.
Updated On: 7/31/07 at 09:53 AM

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 10:32am

As much as Dreamgirls tried to be the definitive depiction of how black culture crossed over into white culture in the 60s, I think it ultimately comes off as rather phony. I think Hairspray works much better in this respect, partly because a lot of the songs in Hairspray actually sound like 60s tunes.

[Kringas]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 10:56am

I am circumcized. Is that why I preferred Hairspray to Dreamgirls?

[StageManager2]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 11:02am

This is probably not the right time or place, but Kringas I'd noticed that your crazy pics are gone. What gives?

Updated On: 7/31/07 at 11:02 AM

[Kringas]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 11:11am

They've been down for a while. I decided to clean house.

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 11:45am

Dreamgirls is trying to be more realistic than Hairspray though. Hairspray's just a fun musical fairy tale that happens to be about desegregation. Dreamgirls is about the Motown industry and how they tried to appeal to mainstream by making the music more "white friendly." Well, not specifically, but you get what I mean, I hope.

As for which is better, I'll let you know after I see it this weekend.

[Kringas]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 11:57am

Oooh, don't say it was about Motown. People got so pissed off at me when I would point out that the movie really hammered home the point that this was supposed to be The Supremes. You better run, girl!

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 12:03pm

And Kringas...judging by how DREAMGIRLS is perceived and embraced now, my assessment was right on target.

From the first few frames of DREAMGIRLS to the Aaron Spelling-esque curtain call at the end of the film...I knew we had a 'new' camp classic -- alas a 'gay' one.

[Kringas]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 12:05pm

Yep, it's right up there with Valley of the Dolls.

[Virgo]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 12:23pm

"Two great movies that had great success. Why try to compare them? "

Because they are the last two big movie musicals and only about six months apart. One came in as a huge oscar favorite to win best picture (dreamgirls) and turned out so bad that it wasn't even nominated. The other came in not as a serious movie with no Oscar expectation at all. However, the one coming in as the "non serious" non oscar contender is way better by leaps and bounds. The reviews say it too. Last I check Hairspray had a 93% fresh rating and dreamgirls had 78%, that's a pretty big difference.

The Dynamites were better then the dreams, their singing and especially dancing was way more polished. Perhaps because they were all basically the same size and with the dreams, you had big and tall Effie, Short Loreal and Deena.

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 12:29pm

Kringas: Uh oh. Guess I'd better run!

Even if you like Hairspray better, which is your right, Dreamgirls had undeniably better singing overall (I've heard Hairspray's OST.) And that matters a lot to me, whether it does to you or not.

[Funny Face]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 12:36pm

>>Even if you like Hairspray better, which is your right, Dreamgirls had undeniably better singing overall (I've heard Hairspray's OST.) And that matters a lot to me, whether it does to you or not.

You are 100% correct, but, I thought the energy and commitment of the performances were way more convincing than anything Beyonce, jamie Foxx, or (God forgive me) JHud did in Dreamgirls.

>>The Dynamites were three random girls who were lip-synching to other women's vocals.

I thought there was something fishy when I saw that one of them was a Pussycat Doll. That sucks. Why'd they do that? Anyone know who the real voices are?

[Kringas]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 12:39pm

I know one was Shayna Steele, who was in ReNt back in the day.

[Virgo]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 12:47pm

The Dynamites were actually Lipsyncing? They just looked like fierce professional singing/dancing group. Someone associated with Hairspray should win some type of Oscar for certain now, for Editing, Directing or something because they really did pull everything off seamlessly.

That's the good thing about Movies vs. Broadway. For the movies you don't have to do things live for it to be considered a great performance. As long as you've got those buttons to push to make it look "real" who cares really.

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 12:52pm

Marc Shaiman addressed this question on another post, dated 7/22/07:

Q: Why didn't the Dynamites do their own singing, at least for the end of Welcome to the 60s?

A: That was the one area Adam wanted to cast people right from the start who were not powerhouse singers (or singers at all). So Shayna Steele, Terita Reed and Kamilah Martin sang their asses off, and now watch their voices come out of other humans! It must be very surreal for them.

[Funny Face]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 1:03pm

That doesn't make any sense to me. Why would you want to cast non-singers in the roles of singers? I mean, I could understand if they were big names, but no-one knows who they are.

[Kringas]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 1:05pm

Tell that to Martha Wash.