TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences & More- Page 4
TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences & More
#75TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 3:43pmI think this thread got a bit "abonoxious".
#76TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 3:45pm
I cannot think of ONE definite winner in any category.
Best Revival of a Musical: Bye Bye Birdie in a landslide
~Steven
#77TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 3:50pmLOL.
#78TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 3:59pm
Forget about Kate Baldwin and Christiane Noll, we all know the real person who will benefit from the news re Cook is Gina Gershon 
While I think some categories are harder to predict than others, I think Douglas Hodge pretty much has it in the bag and even though I'll be rooting for Zeta-Jones through the Tonys, I'm not holding my breath (though I don't think that's a done race in the way that Lead Actor kinda is).
I'd love to see a play win Best Score over something as pedestrian as MEMPHIS.
#79TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 4:02pm
I'll be rooting for Zeta-Jones through the Tonys, I'm not holding my breath (though I don't think that's a done race in the way that Lead Actor kinda is).
I really think she will win. We need to take politics into account. We know CZJ will damn well be campaigning this Spring at all of the Tony events, etc. Regardless, I think she deserves it over Scott, and I am a fan of Scott as well.
Does anyone think American Idiot will be nominated for Best Book? I am cringing at the thought. I liked the musical, but it has 3-4 spoken lines with one-dimensional characters.
Updated On: 4/30/10 at 04:02 PM
#80TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 4:25pm
"Does anyone think American Idiot will be nominated for Best Book? I am cringing at the thought. I liked the musical, but it has 3-4 spoken lines with one-dimensional characters."
EVITA won Best Book in 1980 and it practically has no spoken dialog. It's nothing more than a string of songs.
Vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra
Salve, Salve Regina
Ad te clamamus exsules filii Eva
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
O clemens O pia
#81TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 4:30pmBut EVITA has fully developed characters.
#82TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 4:43pm
EVITA won Best Book in 1980 and it practically has no spoken dialog. It's nothing more than a string of songs.
Actually, it is a bit more than a string of songs. Nothing occurs randomly in the show with no connective thread or narrative structure. The book is defined by more than spoken dialogue. Dreamgirls, Cats, Les Miserables, Falsettos, Sunset Boulevard, Rent and Ragtime won Best Book as well and they all have a relatively small percentage of the show devoted to spoken material.
#83TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 4:47pm
That's the problem. American Idiot has virtually no narrative structure. Sure there's a minor plot line, but that's about it.
Updated On: 4/30/10 at 04:47 PM
#84TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 4:51pmFine, here's a better example. CATS won Best Book and the plot is very ambiguous. I had no idea what was going on the first time I watched it. It's nothing more than T.S. Eliot poems strung together.
Vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra
Salve, Salve Regina
Ad te clamamus exsules filii Eva
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
O clemens O pia
Wayman_Wong
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/22/04
#85TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:02pm
That Best Book Tony for 'Cats' was idiotic. T.S. Eliot was awarded for a show he never worked on, and he had been dead for nearly 2 decades by the time it reached Broadway.
Updated On: 4/30/10 at 05:02 PM
#86TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:04pm
Cats winning Best Book also has to do with putting the show into perspective. The other nominees included A Doll's Life, Merlin and My One and Only. Cats was a phenomenon of its day and its book contained a combination of the selection of poetry and the order of its songs to create an unconventional narrative structure to drive dramatic tension and balance the emotional content. The show was structured very carefully and very specifically to achieve its purpose and it did so quite successfully.
From a sort of opposite view, Two Gentlemen of Verona's spoken lines were almost entirely lifted from Shakespeare's play, but the way the play had to be edited to include the songs without diluting the plot was what gave it an edge and ultimately won it the award over Grease (the unexpected runaway hit), Ain't Supposed to Die a Natural Death and Follies.
#87TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:13pm
Matt, I love you, but there honestly is no justifying a "book" for Cats.
You could rearrange the poems and it would make very little diffrence. It's not even coherent.
#88TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:15pmA win for Zeta-Jones is far from a sure thing. At this point, I'd say it's a 50/50 race between she and Scott, the latter of which has the backing of the NY Times, which worked wonders for Karen Olivo last year, who lost all the lead-up awards to Haydn Gwynne, but still (rightfully) won the Tony.
theatreguy
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/31/03
#89TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:30pmI don't have a problem with Cats winning Best Book - I just cannot understand how they decided that T.S. Eliot would be the only person eligible to receive it. Shouldn't it have gone to Trevor Nunn and Andrew Lloyd Webber? And shouldn't the Best Score Tony have gone to Webber alone since the lyrics were neither new nor written for the theatre?
#90TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:30pm
I honestly think that Eddie Redmayne is the closest to being a sure thing for Best Featured Actor in a Play, but even that is hardly a lock.
It's sure to be an interesting awards season though.
MikeyJ72
Swing Joined: 5/30/09
#91TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:32pm
CZJ is also a huge star, a fact not to be taken lightly. Her delivering a winning speech on Tony night equals bigger ratings than a speech from Scott, whom most folks outside this board wouldn't be able to pick out of a lineup.
I'm not saying it's right, but it's something to consider.
#92TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:37pmI can see where you're coming from, taz. I disagree that there is no coherence, though. While some numbers could be switched around (which is common in countless other musicals), other numbers were very strategically placed. And its originality took people by surprise. Do I think it's a great book? Of course not. But I do think it was the Best Book that season.
#93TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:44pmThe difference with Karen Olivo was that she wasn't up against a well-liked Hollywood star. I expect CZJ to campaign heavily this Spring, she is not stupid.
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#94TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 5:51pmWhatever it is, what a lame season. So much crap will win by default.
#95TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 6:00pmI can totally see Catherine winning, but I don't think she cares as much as all of you think she does.
#96TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 6:02pm
Why do you think that? You must know her (and us) extremely well.
#97TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 6:03pm
Well I think she would like to add a Tony to her Oscar. Who wouldn't?
But she's been having such a great experience, I doubt the award means everything to her.
#98TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 6:14pm
Am I missing something here? Did they petition Lansbury to be Featured Actress? It doesn't say so here, but maybe they did it earlier.
If not, her name is above the title, meaning that she will be considered in the Leading Actress category.
(ljay, I'm sure you would know this ...)
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#99TONYS Announce Eligibility for RED, Sondheim, Enron, Tenor, Idiot, Fences &
Posted: 4/30/10 at 6:14pm
I am not saying she wouldn't LIKE it. I am saying she doesn't seem like the type of person to campaign hard for it.
Why do you think that? You must know her (and us) extremely well.
Well, I HAVE met her and talked to her backstage and I can tell you she is a very lovely person who is having a great time on Broadway, and that's the most important thing to her. But psh! What do I know? Everyone on Broadway is OBVIOUSLY obsessed with getting awards. It's not about art at all.
Again, I am not saying she wouldn't like the Tony; I am saying it's not what she lives and breathes for.
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