The wave does not belong in the theater!- Page 9

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 12:23pm

Hello, Namo? SPOILERS!!! Some of us haven't seen it yet. You wouldn't want someone yelling out the final score of the game before it was over would you?

[PB ENT.]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 12:44pm

You should see what they pull off backstage. OOPS...guess we don't need a SPOLIER for that. Anyway, count me in the "audience participation" portion of theater whenever appropiate. Hey! I want my $100 worth of fun!


Bye! off to the sea today!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 12:49pm

Just behave and use the right fork by the sea, PatiB.

Sorry Sueleen, I totally forgot that some people haven't seen the show yet. If I could take back the snack thing I would. I still have my Laffy Taffy I caught. Whoops, I did it again. SPOILER. Too late.

[Grommetik]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 1:40pm

"This Thread" The Abridged version, by Moi. Expect paraphrasing. Now you can read it set out in all it's glory and laugh as I have.

LIOTTE: Here is something I observed at live theatre tonight. I think this is inapporopriate.
ZONE/NAMO: You have a huge stick up your ass. How dare you be offended by something, anything, ever.
LIOTTE: I'm just saying....live theatre, you know...
OMNES: Oh yeah? Well you saw Spelling Bee more than once! Therefore, you are inferior. [insert some inapporiprate comments about money spending here.]
LIOTTE: Oh yeah? [insert some inapporiprate comments about money spending here.]
ZONEACE: [b]JOY- NAZI![/b]
OMNES: (well deserved, may I add!) Collective gasp!
LIOTTE: I am offended.
ZONEACE: Yeah, well, I don't care, man.
SOMEONE: Wasn't Joy Nazi like a Seinfeld reference? Like the Soup Nazi?
ZONEACE: Uh- yes! It totally was, all of a sudden! You're right. Therefore, Liotte is stupid for being offended by something on Seinfeld, nyaha!
LIOTTE: What? I'm not well versed in Seinfeld.
ZONEACE: Oh yeah? Well then you have no sense of humour.
[Insert enormous political debate here, the conclusion and relevance of which is yet to be determined.]
NEWCOMER: Anyway. They shouldn't have done the wave.
NEWCOMER 2: No, they were having fun! [insert etiquette joke]
OMNES: Hahahaha!

Now here's my final thought. I have read all nine pages of this thread. Basically it seems to be that Liotte has made ONE observation about something that she thought was inappopriate. Whether or not it was worth complaining about, her original post certainly did not warrant personal attacks on her choice of shows to see, how she spends her money, what she finds offensive. It's been said before but offensiveness is subjective. So there should be no need to stomp your little feet if she finds something offensive that you don't find offensive. She has behaved pretty damn well for someone who is being personally attacked by strangers on an internet posting site.
Some of the posts on here have been absolutely pathetic, from both camps. Wow. Adults and everything. Well, I hope I never work with some of you. Aside from anything, those of you who have posed saying that they are impervious to all potentially offensive statements can't be very good actors...Now take care of yourself, and each other. :-P

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 1:51pm

Thank you Grom!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 2:00pm

"NAMO: You have a huge stick up your ass. How dare you be offended by something, anything, ever."

Though it does seem that in general people with sticks up their posterior are the LAST people to be able to acknowledge that they have control issues, I would have to say that the second sentence does not bear any resemblance to anything I wrote. And reveals the "paraphraser's" bias.

[WickedGeek28]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 2:06pm

Holy. SH*T.

Who the hell was that chaperone? I wanna wring his / her neck.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 2:12pm

i dont know, but he/she must have been pretty drowsy.

[Cenoern]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 2:45pm

"i dont know, but he/she must have been pretty drowsy."

Despite the fact that ZONEACE is partly responsible for the contuance of this 200-post, useless thread...

ROFL!

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:28pm

my thoughts on the actual topic is that when you have a show where the fourth wall is taken down by the atmosphere in the lobby or the cast throwing things into the audience, you should be prepared for the audience to do unpredictable things.

Id probably have been annoyed if someone was insisting I do the wave when I didnt want to, but other people doing it would not have bothered me in a casual setting like that.

Considering the last show I saw in that theatre was rocky horror, I can totally picture things getting crazy in there.

[safran]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 6:12pm

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nazi

#7 : " anyone who places themselves in a position of extreme dictatorship: i.e. 'kitchen nazi', 'road nazi', etc.. "

Although I know Zone has said it was a Seinfeld reference, it's more like common parlance. Yeah yeah yeah I know what everyone is going to say ("That doesn't make it right." "It isn't okay to say gay/fag/retard.") but honestly? Get off your P.C. horse for like five minutes.

P.S. -- I read most of this and I'd like to remind a few people about the history of theatre. Times were when theatre was for everyone (whatever the legal/traditional definition of "everyone" in whatever culture meant...) and it got pretty rowdy. Heaven forbid anyone see an original production at the Globe (obviously I'm talking 400ish years ago, not this summer).

Margo can correct me if I'm wrong, but this whole thing about "Theatre Etiquette" and "Don't do the wave" is - in the span of theatre history - a more recent thing. Dressing up? Comes from going to the theatre/opera to SEE and BE SEEN, not because theatre is equivalent to a religious experience (although, yes I know, some see the origins blahblahblah, hopefully we all know what I mean.)


ETA: Re the PC Horse comment (pre-emptive strike if you will), the n word differs from other words in that there isn't even a remote context that it could've been meant in any way that demeaning to Blacks.

Also, obviously I agree with Zone that as long as it wasn't in the middle of the show or anything, just move on. Be annoyed and bitch to your friend on your walk back to the N or something. It was petty to even start a thread on this topic in the first place. Updated On: 4/9/06 at 06:12 PM

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 6:24pm

Dang it, that recap didn't include my comments about how inappropriate it is to take pictures during a show and put them on the internet. Isn't that just a tad worse than a few kids kidding around in the theatre BEFORE the show even begins?

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 6:30pm

Sueleen, the redundancy of your posts is past the point of tiresome. Understood. Move on.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 6:37pm

I was just waiting for you to reply and admit that your outrage at some kids doing the wave before a show started is really small potatoes compared to your very inappropriate and illegal actions in the theatre. So don't look down on a few kids having fun while you yourself are guilty of much worse. That is all I am saying. Am I the only one who feels this way?

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 6:44pm

Each person is allowed their opinion on what "outrages" them. The wave is something that I deemed inappropriate and that made me upset. I would have had no problem if someone was taking pictures during curtain call of a show. Which, if you would like to go read the thread, I never claimed to do.

[Popular]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 6:50pm

SueleenGay ~ Your discalimer intrigues me.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 7:07pm

I would have had no problem if someone was taking pictures during curtain call of a show. Which, if you would like to go read the thread, I never claimed to do.


What? So now you deny that you took illegal pictures in a Broadway Theater and then posted them on this board? You DENY that? If so you really have more problems than your extreme overreaction to the "wave" might imply.

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 7:09pm

I didn't deny posting pictures, I never said that I was the person who took them.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 7:24pm

Oh, okay. So you didn't take them, but you have no problem with the practice even though it is illegal?

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 7:26pm

Sue - of all people. In case you never realized, there are things that are illegal that are less annoying than things that are legal.

Yes, taking pictures can be annoying and is illegal. But that isn't the point here.

The point is that Liotte was annoyed kids were doing the wave and no one was stopping them.

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 7:29pm

Honestly- I was told that taking pictures during curtain call isn't illegal. I may be wrong, but to the best of my knowledge, that's what I heard.

Irregardless, if you want to discuss that further, feel free to PM me. I started this thread because I was upset about kids doing the wave at a Broadway theater. This thread has become an attack on me about a variety of subjects, and was only meant to say one thing- The wave does not belong in the theater. People start threads on all kinds of subjects posting their opinion. I did the same. So you don't agree and think I ____ (insert insult here)? I don't agree with your constant attacks on posters about every single thing, negative comments, know-it-all attitude, and the fact that you need a signature disclaimer that people shouldn't think you are serious because you do it so often.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 7:44pm

I don't agree with your constant attacks on posters about every single thing, negative comments, know-it-all attitude, and the fact that you need a signature disclaimer that people shouldn't think you are serious because you do it so often.


Just because I am not afraid to call people on what I think is Bullsh*t does not mean I am attacking them. I am merely pointing out (in this case) what I find to be a great overreaction by someone who doesn't live by the same standards that she expects of everyone else. If you think I am mean and a bitch, that is too bad. What I cannot stand is a hypocrite. It reminds me of that girl in Willy Wonka with her finger up her nose saying "Spitting is a dirty habit." And I will be the one to say, "Pull that finger out of your nose before you criticize others, you nasty girl."

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 7:47pm

Oh, man.

Liotte, drop it.

Sue's mirror must be broken. He cannot even see what he does, himself.

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 7:50pm

You may have perceived my post to the wave as being an overreaction. I just posted what I thought about it. I have a respect for the theater, and think that others should as well. Doing the wave at a Broadway show, I feel, is disrespectful and should not be in the theater. I certainly live by the same expectations as I expect from everyone else. I never claimed otherwise.

[safran]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 8:10pm

"I have a respect for the theater, and think that others should as well. Doing the wave at a Broadway show, I feel, is disrespectful and should not be in the theater. "

Hi. Okay, I know I'm not in this conversation but it is in a public sphere so I'm free to comment. I hope we can all agree on that. I've posted just a little bit earlier and can you, liotte, explain what you mean when you say "respect for the theater" and the like? Like I said earlier -- for a nice chunk of time, theatre was with the bear-baiting and the prostitutes...and I know times change but you make it seem like it is the long-standing high institute equivalent of the Papacy or something. (And, I read the thread, I know you're Jewish but hopefully you understand the hyperbolic analogy and not read that as an insult to your religion.) I'm not saying to come into the theatre and scream profanity for the entire performance...but I just can't believe a WAVE is that impermissable.