The wave does not belong in the theater!- Page 8

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:26am

Yes, it was discussed earlier in this thead Emo.

And ZONEACE, now that I have seen the rest of your posts tonight, I can see that you are equal opportunity offensive to everyone, not just me.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:27am

BSo, you point out an interesting fact about Jews and nazis. I do get offended when people ignore the fact that gypsies, homosexuals, the handicapped and the mentally disabled were also the victims of Hitlers crimes. Now once again, I am not, in any way trying to take away from what was done to the jewish people, Understand me, i am not trying to minimalize that. But the fact that homosexuals, and gypsies and physically and mentally handicaped people seem to be less important and of less value than jewish people offends me.

And BSo, i wasn't saying you have a claim of superiority to nazi jokes, i was claiming, that it sounds like you think you have some sort of superior claim to be offended by nazi jokes.


ETA: while the fact taht I am an equal oppurtunity ass hole, i didn't make an attempt to offend you, so you are half right.


ETA 2: yes, emo, that is kinda funny in a :wow, talk about you cosmic coincidences that some might find horribly offensive way"

but yeah, i do find it kind of funny.

Updated On: 4/9/06 at 03:27 AM

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:29am

The fact is you made a nazi joke to a JEW. A jew with whom you were arguing.

That's the point.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:31am

BSo, first I didn't know she is a jew.

Second, had i said it so someone that wasn't jewish, would this have been blown up nearly as much as has?

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:33am

Call anyone a nazi, see how things work out.

You don't call people nazis (am I teaching third grade here?)...

Second of all, stop with Seinfeld. YOu obviously don't understand what makes it funny on that show.

[Popular]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:35am

"But the fact that homosexuals, and gypsies and physically and mentally handicaped people seem to be less important and of less value than jewish people offends me."

As a Jew, I have NEVER been taught to think that one human being has any more or less importantance or value than the other. I'm not going to get into a religious debate but I just wanted to make that clear.
Updated On: 4/9/06 at 03:35 AM

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:36am

BSo, i haven't mentioned seinfeld in quite a while.

also, I have called non jews nazis, no one seemed to have a problem.

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:37am

Why you would call anyone a Nazi (or any of those other words you choose to half bleep out) is beyond me. I have no idea why people would want to be friends with such an offensive person.

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:38am

Lemme try this ONCE more.

It isn't calling her a nazi, per se.
It's the way it was used.

It wasn't used in a comical setting.
It wasn't used jokingly.

People were saying Liotte is wasting time seeing shows, wasting money, so on and so forth. Then you bust out with "joy Nazi."

Listen, dude. I would have overlooked it, knowing where it was from, and that I hoped you meant no offense.

But your post that you don't care if you offended her...well...that's what I have a problem with.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:39am

I didn't call anyone those words i bleeped out. and you know that.

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:41am

The fact is that you used them in your post. How am I to know what you call your friends? You said you call them nazis, that you don't care what they think about you, and you don't care about offending people; that's enough right there to show what kind of person you are.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:44am

Now you're just reaching. Using the word N*gger is not the same as calling some one a n*gger. Ok, there is a huge difference, and anyone who tries to claim other wise, is just looking to start a fight. You are just looking to cause problems now. You are trying to things i said, and put them in a completely different context and that just cheap, and petty.

[liotte]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:47am

I personally do not use that word. I choose not to use words that are offensive, such as nazi, n*, faggot, c*nt, etc, that you have used in your posts. And you want to talk about petty? We have been arguing for 5 hours and you have continued to attack now not only me, but everyone else who continues to post in this thread or the other one you started. I'm going to sleep, both threads will probably be deleted by morning.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:49am

Well i hope you had fun Liotte, cause i sure did. Maybe we can do this another time.

(but maybe next time without you trying take things i say and using them in a different context in a cheap way.)

[Popular]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 3:53am

I must admit that Zone's complete and utter lack of tact, compasion, and maturity disappoints me too.

But hey, guess what guys... it's been 8 pages. He's not going to change tonight or anytime soon. He's pretty hardened and closed off for a 21 year old, it's actually kind of sad.

Zone - I don't know what you've been through to make you the way you are but as you get older you'll see that it's worth taking the time to let people in and care about them. Don't wait too long to realize that!

With that said... Liotte, I'm sorry your Bee enjoyment was diminished tonight. Good night all!

[emo_geek]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 4:10am

Oh sorry I didn't read that it was already talked about [Wave movie]...it's been a long week.

[Bruce Memblagh!]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 4:28am

Zone claims, amongst other things, that he didn't know someone was a Jew. So he thinks ignorance excuses everything he has said? It does not. And that his homosexuality excuses him from the manner he referred to Nazis and others who were persecuted so horribly by Hitler? It does not either. Therein lies the issue with maturity; how easy it is not to accept that you may have offended someone, even if you did not mean to offend someone (and I really don't think he meant to offend). Fact is, he has clearly offended at least one person, and then chooses to blame others for being too sensitive or find excuses for himself. The mature thing would be to admit the offence and move on. Counter-"argument" (for want of a better word) is just playground tit-for-tat and serves only to dig a bigger hole for himself.

[blah2]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 5:20am

I, too, was at the show last night and while I tried to ignore the wave the few times it came around, thinking "WHAT IS GOING ON?", it did create a buzz of fun energy in the audience for the show...regardless of those of us who scoffed. These "offenders" were the same ones completely enthralled and with the characters every step of the way. ***MINOR SPOILER***They wimpered out loud when Leaf Coneybear was eliminated; they cheered for William Barfee in the end.

So, while it sounds like you sat consumed by thoughts of ettiquette and decorum, they were having the times of their lives. I for one, had a great time at the show - one of the best times - having seen it four times before. They hurt no one, THEY had a great time, and lord help us if it isn't something THEY remember for years to come and become avid theatre goers because "this one night when they saw spelling bee years ago"...It seems we should cut them some slack. They were clearly visiting, probably didn't know "which fork to use" - but in the end, they enjoyed the performances and you had something to come home and start a topic about on Broadwayworld.com.
Updated On: 4/9/06 at 05:20 AM

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 9:18am

If you don't know the person to whom you are talking, you should try to avoid using any kind of reference to anything, unless you know 100% it is something they would understand. Just speaking in a straightforward manner would be best so you don't risk offending them. But of course, you could care less anyway if you offended me or anyone else.

Wow, I hope this statement is a joke. (That is a statement meant to bring a smile or laugh to the person reading it, in case you don't know what a joke is.)

Speaking of jokes...










Do you know why Hitler never drank Tequila?





Cuz it made him MEEEEAAAAAANNNNNN!


(No offense.)


By the way, Liotte, how did you like The Producers?

Updated On: 4/9/06 at 09:18 AM

[alterego]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 9:21am

Doing 'the wave' must be the final dumbing down of the theatrical experience.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 10:54am

Like your post, you mean, alter?

Blah2, thank you for your post. This was the most genius part: "So, while it sounds like you sat consumed by thoughts of ettiquette and decorum...." That and the "which fork to use" line.

I'm pretty sure the company of Spelling Bee would agree with liotte though. Who wants palpable energy in the theater? Who wants excitement? Who wants an invested audience?

[PB ENT.]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 12:08pm

If Sebastian Bach can bite off the heads of the roses at his curtian call at J&H....I'd say doing the wave is Coooooool too. Ya shoulda seen the high brows reaction to that. Priceless!

[The W.A.N.D]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 12:09pm

Thats horrible. The Theatre is not a sports arena. What'll be next? Will the actors shoot t-shirts out of a cannon at intermission?

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 12:14pm

Please, doesn't ANYONE have any photos of TARZAN? There were some up earlier, but now they are gone. Surely it is not inappropriate to take photos of a show during previews and post them online for all to see and judge...

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 4/9/06 at 12:18pm

"Will the actors shoot t-shirts out of a cannon at intermission?"

Well, there's no intermission in that show and they DO shoot snacks out of a box. So your analogy would appear to support The Wave.