To Kill a Mockingbird returning?- Page 2

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/29/22 at 10:14pm

EDSOSLO858 said: "Horrifying that people are letting R*din get away with this.

Also, it’s not like long-running shows were common before COVID, but I have a feeling there’ll be less and less, as this first post-shutdown season has showed us. Most shows cannot sustain large swaths of audiences after a certain amount of months (Mockingbird’s decline, for one, was swift), especially with COVID still a legitimate force, and with a Monkeypox pandemic declaration possibly looming in the coming days / weeks."

First of all, no one lets a person with a contract "get away with anything."

Second, so far, all he has done is close a show that is licensed to him. Yes, it is disgusting that he is trying to step back with this "unproducing" as his foot in the door; it remains to be seem if people will work with him affirmatively on a production going forward. I hope they won't but we just finished the Garth version of this so my faith in humans is on the decline.

Third, Monkeypox plays no role in this whatsoever and you would be well advised not to suggest otherwise. Monkeypox is not covid. 

[wicked4l]

Posted: 7/30/22 at 8:54am

Sutton Ross said: "This was said by Brody, myself, and others months ago. I'm glad it's finally been confirmed. The tour is doing well though."

The cast was absolutely notified in the last 2 weeks that they would be re-opening. They found out yesterday that plans were cancelled.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/30/22 at 5:07pm

wicked4l said: "The cast was absolutely notified in the last 2 weeks that they would be re-opening. They found out yesterday that plans were cancelled."

Not surprising. I knew it was slated for The Music Box, but in my mind kept thinking it wasn't going to happen at all. This is now the second show to push out a current tenant and then fall through. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/30/22 at 6:08pm

"push out"? 

lol

[BroadwayRox3588]

Posted: 7/30/22 at 6:17pm

EDSOSLO858 said: "especially with COVID still a legitimate force, and with a Monkeypox pandemic declaration possibly looming in the coming days / weeks."

Oh, Jordan... 

Updated On: 7/30/22 at 06:17 PM

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/31/22 at 6:39pm

HogansHero said: ""push out"?

lol"

Neither this, nor the show across the street from it, are voluntarily closing. It's not a secret. 

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/31/22 at 7:01pm

Im not sure I understand those saying the show was struggling... it was playing to half-full houses in Winter 2021-2022 when Omnicron kept everyone sick/hiding indoors. And that was in a theater twice the size of the Music Box, no? Prior that dark period for all Bway shows, it was selling well and pre-shut down, it was sold out almost always, if not always. 

Seems like a Rudin game more than something that makes any economic sense. 

[RippedMan]

Posted: 7/31/22 at 7:07pm

Just because it was sold out doesn't really mean it was making money. It's a big show and was designed as such. I mean Hello Dolly was a huge hit and barely made any return on investment. 

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/31/22 at 7:19pm

% capacity never tells the full story. A better metric is average ticket price vs top price vs potential earnings (though they are currently conveniently not reporting that number). 

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/31/22 at 11:47pm

TKAM recouped its investment years ago, fwiw. And while yes, % isnt generally indicative of success, when a show literally sells out for like a year, its hard for me wrap my head around the idea that it struggled if we look at it beyond the last 2 months of its run when Broadway in general was universally struggling. 

and given Sher's and Sorkin's reaction, and the involvement of Rudin, this doesnt strike me as simply as "oh it was struggling in early 2022, it never made sense to bring it back, even at a cozier theater"

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 7/31/22 at 11:55pm

Maybe Rudin is planning a big return with that previously announced production of Our Town starring Dustin Hoffman. The Music Box would make a good home for that.

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 8/1/22 at 12:00am

Call_me_jorge said: "Maybe Rudin is planning a big return with that previously announced production of Our Town starring Dustin Hoffman. The Music Box would make a good home for that."

Maybe. Im just sniffing out some other story here. "I just decided, rather suddenly, that this won't sell at the Music Box, sorry" just doesnt add up. 

[RippedMan]

Posted: 8/1/22 at 12:15am

PipingHotPiccolo said: "Call_me_jorge said: "Maybe Rudin is planning a big return with that previously announced production of Our Town starring Dustin Hoffman. The Music Box would make a good home for that."

Maybe. Im just sniffing out some other story here. "I just decided, rather suddenly, that this won't sell at the Music Box, sorry" just doesnt add up."

Again, I refer you to Midler's Dolly which BARELY made back its investment. So yeah, the seating doesn't totally matter. It's how much they're spending on the ticket PLUS the overhead for the production.

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 8/1/22 at 12:24am

and TKAM made back its investment in April 2019, and then continued to play for 11 more months to totally sold-out audiences before Covid shut it down. Someone can pull the numbers for me and school me by showing that in those 11 months, it wasnt making any money, I guess, and its ticket prices were low, but that seems unlikely.

Regardless you keep referring me back to Dolly, which recouped its $16m investment and made $129 million over the course of its run. Yes investors grumbled that they didnt see a big enough return, but if your point is "Rudin once again has mismanaged the production's massive profits like he did with Dolly" then youre only proving my point, which is that this is NOT about "we cant afford to put this production on" as much as Rudin playing his usual games. I also dont quite get the Dolly comparison, since it was totally built around one star performance, and struggled without her; TKAM didnt fall off without Jeff Daniels by any stretch. 

 

[pethian]

Posted: 8/1/22 at 1:28pm

Fosse76 said: "HogansHero said: ""push out"?

lol"

Neither this, nor the show across the street from it, are voluntarily closing. It's not a secret."

Are you referring to COME FROM AWAY or COMPANY?