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#1

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

Creative industries are tough to work in. For those that don't get any work at all, however - it can be pretty easy to know when to cut your losses and move to a different career. For those that are constantly getting work, it's also an easy decision to continue and enjoy a successful career. However, what about those who get a taste of success but then can't repeat it? E.g., a one-time supporting tony nomination/role, or a couple of ensemble roles  - it's a bit more difficult to know what to do in these situations. They've had a taste of success and probably want to continue, but when do you cut your losses and want to continue? I'm curious if anyone knows anyone (or is) someone from this latter group. How does it feel to be in such a situation and how do you decide whether you should continue or change career?

P.s., I don't work in the creative industries, it's more just a personal curiosity. 


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Updated On: 10/31/15 at 06:47 PM

#2

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

I think you're thinking of this in a weird way. "Broadway" isn't the career, performing is. Broadway is merely the venue.


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#3

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

Agreed with Kad. People strike out to California and New York both for performing reasons, and there's crossover. I imagine the real practical question is simply what can pay the bills.


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#4

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

I understand, I suppose I have assumed that it's Broadway or nothing when it's likely not that simple. Happy for people to take a broader interpretation about performing in general...


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Updated On: 10/31/15 at 06:52 PM

#5

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

I think I'm a little confused by your examples of "mild" success, though. A Tony-nominated supporting role is, to me, still quite different from an ensemble role...


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#7

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

That's certainly another way to look at it. I suppose "mild" is too subjective.

 

What does it even mean to "make it" from a performer's perspective? Not having to worry about bills due to royalties, or never having to audition for anything? etc.

 

(Not to hijack the original question, of course. wink)


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Updated On: 10/31/15 at 08:03 PM

#8

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

I think the op meant: what if that's the only success, and other jobs do not come along.

 

I've always said, through experience, it's a personal decision...you keep going until you decided you've had enough.  Everyone's enough is at a different point.

 

As to how it feels? That's likely just as individualistic...some might appreciate the taste of success and others will be bitter over the nibble.


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#10

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

From personal experience. I have witnessed people with exceptional talent have amazing local success yet still struggle to find a vehicle to marry with their talent.

I was employed for many years as a chorus boy with looks/personality and mininum of talent--it was the first 2 that got me work---I was always realisitc.

BUT--with the "show biz" experience I was able to branch out into a different field that supported me successfully for the next 40years that life on that wicked stage never could/would have done.

I am very happy applauding as an audience member and pleased I knew when to quit and to not hear those words---NEXT !

There is a big difference between a frustrated performer and a realistic dreamer.

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#11

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

I think Chicago theatre is the greatest example for this. Like Rachel Rockwell maybe the greatest director/coreographer in all of Chicago, but she's barely known in the theatre world in general.


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#12

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

In terms of mild success specifically to Broadway, I'd say anyone that makes it that far is very happy of the accomplishment. Making it to that point is hard enough. From there it's all up to how realistic the actor is because getting to Broadway is one thing but staying is another. I've seen countless actors get their first show and not one more. Some will delight in that one show and continue with a wonderful career in regional theatre, tours or move on to something else entirely. Others turn to bitterness and despair. 

 

I agree with Kad's thinking of Broadway simply a venue, not a career. I know many actors who have wonderful acting careers working the regional circuit who work very frequently and make more money in the long run. All a mindset and preference. 

Updated On: 10/31/15 at 10:13 PM

#13

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

Interesting topic!

 

I think that 90% of the performers eventually move on to do something else. I worked on the West End years ago and lately I was looking up people who performed with me in shows as Les Mis and Phantom and a big number of them (Cosettes, Eponines and Raouls included) are not performing anymore. Including thousands of performers from other shows.

 

"There is a big difference between a frustrated performer and a realistic dreamer."

 

True, but it's also different per person. It can be very hard to know what is realistic, because you have this "proof" that it can actually happen, as it did in the past. So who is to say that it will not happen again if you go for it? I also think that many people love performing, but get tired of the business, as 90% of the business is actually moving around in a snake pit, beating competition and sending out CV's and headshots and auditioning. It's like top sport. Some people eventually desire a more laid back/normal life, or focus on completely different aspects of life. 

 

(mild) success can either leave you craving for more, or give you a sense of fulfillment, a beautiful achievement you carry in your pocket for the rest of your journey of life. For me, it was somewhere in the middle. Grateful for the achievements in the past, I would have liked to continue, and actually still do, but at one point I had to do something else to pay the bills. I learned to love that life too, a bit more "normal" in a way, enjoying all the other beautiful things in life, out of the spotlight, it gave me a sense of satisfaction too, which I never thought I could have without performing. The older I get, the more I am content with the latter. Maybe the need of self-affirmation slowly disappears over the years, maybe I just realized that it's impossible to keep up with the huge amount of new actors each year and the crazy business. I still have an agent and an audition every now and then, as I could combine certain projects with my current job. But it feels very different than it did 15 years ago. Which also helps me perform better, as I just see every opportunity as a "nice extra" in life. A cherry on the cake. This less "pressured" energy works better for me.

Updated On: 11/1/15 at 04:42 AM

#14

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

I think I would tell anybody who was having any success in showbiz to remain persistant.

 In terms of the actors talent what is really the difference between a Tony nominated supporting role and a Tony winning supporting role ? In practice they just lost one voting round against only 4/5 other actors. The next role may be their moment but they have to stay in the game to have the chance to get that opportunity.

 

 

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What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

I do wonder what the process is like for actors who have had a big lead role and then aren't seen in much after that. I've noticed this, for example, with some of the leads in Wicked. Some of them have gone from playing among the most recognizable roles on Broadway to then not being in shows for an extended period of time. I know it's all individual choice so perhaps they are doing other things and aren't auditioning, but for some it must also be a tough break of not getting the lead roles.


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#17

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

One example off the top of my head: Don Correia (Tony nominated star of SINGIN IN THE RAIN, also Sandy Duncan's husband) pretty much left his performing career behind to work as a high-end real estate agent. Although he's worked occasionally on stage (2011's FOLLIES), his primary work has been in real estate for 25 years. 


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#18

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

IN addition to Don Correia, ask Jere Shea, Sara Gettelfinger, Ben Wright, Evan Pappas, Janie Sell, Karen Olivo, and the legion of other performers who almost made it, but left to pursue other occupations (for whatever reason). 

 

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#20

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

Flo Lacey still works pretty often, just not in New York. She is based in the D.C. metro area. 


"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe." -John Guare, Landscape of the Body
#21

What is it like to have mild success (only) on Broadway?

When I first saw this thread, the first thing that came to mind was "mildly successful" in terms of a show.  After reading the responses, the OP was referring to an individual's success.  


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