Why wouldn't Connor Murphy's parents check Connor's phone for texts from Evan? — Page 2

Burner phones dude

This is why I hate the use of modern technology in shows. Someone could be writing the most amazing musical about Snapchat right now but by time they get it on its feet and premiere it somewhere in say, a year or so, it's likely it will be outdated in some form. It's hard to write something and set it in the present day while using technology since technology is evolving literally every day.

Maybe ten years from now it'll be easy to look back and write a story based in 2017, using the technology of today but because everything is so fleeting and doesn't last, it's rough.

I wonder if people felt like this when technology was emerging in the 30's, 40's, and 50's....

HogansHero said: "ya know, show mesomeone who says they've located a plot contrivance and I'll show you someone who is over-analyzing to make themselves feel smart. Let's play this game with Hamlet, shall we?"

You read my mind, although that's partially because I saw Hamlet a few weeks ago for the first time. I really enjoyed the play, but it's loaded with plot contrivances that sometimes border on the absurd. Hamlet is a great play, but not if you're constantly questioning whether this or that would realistically happen.

I have mixed feelings about Dear Evan Hansen, but the plot devices are plausible enough for musical theater. My teenage daughter saw the show with me, and her reaction was not, 'This could never happen,' even though she has never emailed her friends or even used Facebook unless she has to for school. In the show, the whole phony email account was set up to fool the adults, which it did - for fairly obvious reasons, even though Evan is questioned and even teased throughout the musical about his mysterious relationship with Connor.

Very true. Connor's parents want to believe Evan's version of Connor so much that they overlook contradicting evidence. They want to live in the world Evan creates rather than the one Connor left them with. This is a show about the power of storytelling to affect real life, not an episode of Murder, She Wrote.

Updated On: 10/14/17 at 11:58 AM

bear88 said: "HogansHero said: "ya know, show mesomeone who says they've located a plot contrivance and I'll show you someone who is over-analyzing to make themselves feel smart. Let's play this game with Hamlet, shall we?"

You readmy mind, although that's partially because I sawHamleta few weeks ago for the first time. I really enjoyed the play, but it's loaded with plot contrivances that sometimes border on the absurd.Hamletis a great play, but not if you're constantly questioning whether this or that would realistically happen.

I have mixed feelings aboutDear Evan Hansen,but the plot devices are plausible enough for musical theater. My teenage daughter saw the show with me, and her reaction was not, 'This could never happen,' even though she has never emailed her friends or even used Facebook unless she has to for school. In the show, the whole phony email account was set up to fool the adults, which it did - for fairly obvious reasons, even though Evan is questioned and eventeased throughout the musical about his mysterious relationship with Connor."

What plot contrivances in Hamilton? Not saying they don’t exist, just curious which you are referring to

I mean, connor could have a password on his phone

No.



(Maybe if Natasha Pierre won.....)

Come From Away's book is cliche trite. At least in Dear Evan Hansen I don't leave with a cavity.

Honestly, Dear Evan Hansen answers all the questions that it throws out at the audience. Many of you seem to not have actually seen the show or maybe you slept through large portions of it because I can't think of any glaring plot holes, then again, I actually pay attention when I watch a musical. I could go on and on and point out numerous plot holes in every major musical ever and also probably every major play, but guess what? It's a musical. People are f*cking singing and dancing. It's not realism. Stop thinking so hard when you see a show. Don't question every single action. Just watch it for what it is.

Updated On: 10/14/17 at 03:24 PM

Are you suggesting that Sunday in the Park is cliche trite that will give you a cavity because that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Sunday does not contradict my philosophy, which is, don't question every little things that a show presents to you. The actions of a musical are realistic in the world that the show is taking place. Don't question it. How is that in opposition with Sunday?

CallMeAl2 said: "Very true. Connor's parents want to believe Evan's version of Connor so much that they overlook contradicting evidence. They want to live in the world Evan creates rather than the one Connor left them with. This is a show about the power of storytelling to affect real life, not an episode of Murder, She Wrote."

Also look at what kind of state the Murphys are in at the beginning of the show. Connor is hostile, non-responsive, and they Murphys are frustrated with him. I think it's easy for them to believe Connor kept a part of his life completely secret from them because the channels of communication were closed for so long.

I take the same issue with "Why don't the Murpy's expose Evan at the end?" Because they're nice good people and they recognize that so much of what Evan said about Connor was really about himself -- the loneliness, the suicidal thoughts, the longing for love. They are not the type of people to inflict more pain on a deeply troubled adolescent.

Best Book? The book that is a near verbatim excerpt of a 150-year-old novel should have won over the book that is a hyper-contemporary analysis of mental health, social media, death, grief and class?

poisonivy2 said:...I take the same issue with "Why don't the Murpy's expose Evan at the end?" Because they're nice good people and they recognize that so much of what Evan said about Connor was really about himself -- the loneliness, the suicidal thoughts, the longing for love. They are not the type of people to inflict more pain on a deeply troubled adolescent."

In addition, what I took away was that, yes, the tale Evan spun was contrary to events the way they actually transpired - but as many stories do they captured something true about both Evan and Connor. They both underneath did want a friend and want love. All of that was there buried under the rubble of current circumstances and mental health - but the point is that it was actually there. "Maybe then we can both pretend to have a friend", Connor tells Evan in his one moment of human generosity in the play.

This is what the "lie" does to Evan (and you can see him realizing it as he tells his tale in "For Forever" : he is capable of love and being loved. Previously he didn't think that was even possible, so the whole world seemed like a cruel joke dangling treats in front of him that he could never taste. But in his story he sees an Evan that can be a friend. It gives him the courage to step out and take the chance with Zoe. It helps him find hope for new possibilities in himself in the last scene.

The Murphys have a similar journey. Evan shows them a side of Connor they had lost touch with - something that used to be there but was totally obscured at the end. Yeah, Connor was a jerk - but he was also a kid who wanted to be a part of the rest of the world. Evan found that part, and then just blew it up to full size when he created his version of Connor.

It's kind of like acting - the way you find something that is true in you that matches the writing and then create a whole person based on that aspect.

Evan did give them their son back - the part of him that others never saw, but was very real nonetheless. That is the value that the Murphys walk away with at the end. They got the opportunity for both them and the whole community to celebrate the part of Connor that was obscured by the illness. It reminds me of that line in Angels in America where Harper tells Prior that deep down inside there is one part of him that is completely pure and untouched by illness. That's what Evan did for the people who loved Connor.

Updated On: 10/14/17 at 07:08 PM

schubox said: "bear88 said: "HogansHero said: "ya know, show mesomeone who says they've located a plot contrivance and I'll show you someone who is over-analyzing to make themselves feel smart. Let's play this game with Hamlet, shall we?"

You readmy mind, although that's partially because I sawHamleta few weeks ago for the first time. I really enjoyed the play, but it's loaded with plot contrivances that sometimes border on the absurd.Hamletis a great play, but not if you're constantly questioning whether this or that would realistically happen.

I have mixed feelings aboutDear Evan Hansen,but the plot devices are plausible enough for musical theater. My teenage daughter saw the show with me, and her reaction was not, 'This could never happen,' even though she has never emailed her friends or even used Facebook unless she has to for school. In the show, the whole phony email account was set up to fool the adults, which it did - for fairly obvious reasons, even though Evan is questioned and eventeased throughout the musical about his mysterious relationship with Connor."

What plot contrivances in Hamilton? Not saying they don’t exist, just curious which you are referring to"

I was talking about Hamlet, not Hamilton.