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Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#75
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:09pm
Slim pickings.
I liked Marissa very much, but saw nothing special in her performance - it seemed very run of the mill, and she didn't do anything better or different than anyone else who I've seen play Tracy.
I didn't see AMOUR, but don't care for Errico's acting in general.
I disliked Mastrantonio in LA MANCHA.
Parkinson was remarkable in MOVIN' OUT, but still - no one comes close to Bernadette's brilliance in the role.
If Bernadette were not nominated, I would have given the award to Parkinson over Winokur.
And do'nt even get me started on Dick Latessa.
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#76
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:09pmYou dont think he deserved to win?
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#77
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:11pm
No. His performance was incredibly standard and run of the mill. He won because he was old, had an impressive career, and was in the "it" show. His performance was absolutely nothing special. The only thing he had going for him, in my eyes, was that he was in the original cast of FOLLIES.
Who was nominated with him?
Michael Cavenaugh, MOVIN' OUT
John Selya, MOVIN' OUT
who else?
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#78
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:14pm
Dick Latessa, HAIRSPRAY
Michael Cavanaugh, MOVIN OUT
Corey Reynolds, HAIRSPRAY
Keith Roberts, MOVIN OUT
John Dossett, GYPSY
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#79
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:16pmJohn Dossett should have won...
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#80
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:16pm
Again, slim pickings.
I was very passionate about Cavanaugh in MOVIN' OUT.
Wasn't any more passionate about Corey Reynolds than I was about Latessa.
I don't even remember anyone in MOVIN' OUT named Keith Roberts...
I would have given the award to John Dossett, hands down.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#81
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:16pmI checked out the nominees from that year before I weighed in. Essentially, it was a 2-person competition that year -- Bernadette and Marissa. It's between an incredible role that was improperly cast and a perfectly cast / acted role that wasn't as challenging. I still think it's a difficult choice, but Bernadette should have won by a hair (or hairdo). But, as I've mentioned in other threads, it's all about the buzz and Hairspray / Marissa had all the good buzz and Bernadette had a lot of bad buzz. Hence the Tony choice.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#82
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:18pmJohn Dossett was completely lackluster and snoozeworthy as Herbie. Anyone who thought he was good never saw Jonathan Hadary.
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#83
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:18pm
I would pick Michael Cavanaugh to win probably if I saw MOVIN OUT (havent seen it yet...i know i know). But of who I saw, I hated John Dossett in GYPSY. I dont know why really, I just thought HE was very run of the mill giving the usual Herbie performance with nothing new thrown in. I liked Corey Reynolds in HAIRSPRAY (as well as Latessa). But I think I'd chose Latessa over Reynolds. His chemistry with Fierstein was phenomenal and his singing was so sweet and croony and his acting was funny, hammy and really entertaining.
**Is Cavanaugh still in MOVIN OUT????**
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#84
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:20pmYes, I'm pretty sure he is.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#85
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:21pmBingo, Rath. Jonathan was a DREAM Herbie! (Oooo . . . your avatar is making me envision Debbie as Rose! Wouldn't THAT be killer!)
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#86
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:24pm
John Dossett was completely lackluster and snoozeworthy as Herbie. Anyone who thought he was good never saw Jonathan Hadary.
I saw Hadary as Herbie.
I saw Dossett as Herbie.
I liked them both.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#87
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:24pmShe's be quite the powerhouse, Hanna!
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#88
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:25pmI saw Dossett three times and found him to be eh...pretty good the first time and worse as time went on. He's a great, talented actor and singer dont get me wrong, I just couldnt stand his Herbie.
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#89
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:26pm
Marissa deserved to win. No one walked out of the theatre LOVING Rose, they did love Tracy though.
Suck it up.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#90
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:27pm
I found him excellent.
Like Mary Stuart Masterson (who was also robbed that year,) his performance grew, and grew, and grew to be something so astounding that they not only outshined everyone around them - but they seemed to literally MAKE the show.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#91
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:29pm
Diva~You're not supposed to love Rose. She's a horrible person!
Munk, I couldn't agree more.
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#92
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:35pm
MEF, That's the point.
The country was hungry for something to make them feel good. Tracy was the answer.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#93
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:37pmTo a certain extent, I agree. They probably figured that Bernadette has had her moment, and they wanted to reward a talented newcomer.
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#94
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:39pm
TRACY was the answer not MARISSA. Yes she brought the role to life but IMO, as talented as she is and as great she was as Tracy, most everyone who followed her was just as good if not better.
Too bad awarding the show, book, and score wouldnt be enough to thank for having Tracy make the audience "feel good".
Dont get me wrong, I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Hairspray and think its one of the best musicals in a while, but Bernadette and the revival of Gypsy was the production and performance of the year for me.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#95
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:43pm
Ms. Peter's tried, gave a strong performance and I think should have won.
Marrissa Jarret Winokur did a nice job, but Gypsy was tougher vocally (which Peters sort of had...she was weak sometimes), tougher dramatically (great acting performance) and is basically a one woman show. In Hairspray, you have Edna, Wilbur and a bunch of other characther's numbers and scenes. Rose is in almost every scene of Gypsy.
Like Merman, Bernadette Peters truly gave a great performance and deserved the Tony. But how can you buck a newcomer? (Ha ha, bad joke, I know.)
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#96
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:45pm
"The country was hungry for something to make them feel good. Tracy was the answer."
The entire U S of A votes for the Tonys now?
Sure would explain some things...
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#98
Posted: 11/8/05 at 5:34pmThis argument pops up every few months. At least this time I amnot getting bashed for saying how awful I thought she was in it.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#99
Posted: 11/8/05 at 5:37pm*bashes Dame*
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