Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?- Page 5

[DAME]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#100

Posted: 11/8/05 at 5:39pm

Don't bash me honey. Remember.. I am the one that can hook you up with other lipstick lesbians besides Corine.

HUSSY POWER! ------ HUSSY POWER!

[Rathnait62]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#101

Posted: 11/8/05 at 5:43pm

*unbashes Dame*

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

[alterego]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#102

Posted: 11/8/05 at 6:38pm

Still, at the end of the day it was "nice try Bernadette, but no cigar".

[Rathnait62]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#103

Posted: 11/8/05 at 6:43pm

The night I saw it, she earned every cigar in Cuba!

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

[DAME]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#104

Posted: 11/8/05 at 6:53pm

Rath;
You were just horny.

HUSSY POWER! ------ HUSSY POWER!

[Rathnait62]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#105

Posted: 11/8/05 at 7:03pm

Perhaps.

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

[TheatreDiva90016]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#106

Posted: 11/8/05 at 10:14pm

jv92,

The role of Tracy is also onstage 99% of the show. The only time she's off stage for any length of time is in Act II during Wilbur and Edna's number.

The role chews people up.

"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2

[sidwich]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#107

Posted: 11/9/05 at 3:12am

I saw both MJW and Bernadette. I've also seen other Tracys and other Roses, and honestly, I would have given the Tony to MJW. I thought MJW did a great job and had wonderful warmth and comic timing in her performance. I liked Melissa Errico very much in "Amour" as well.

I've loved Bernadette in other things (and actually I think her "Annie" was a fine performance), but I have to agree with others, it seemed like the role of Rose overwhelmed her. She looked visibly strained and sounded strained as well vocally. Perhaps it's unfair to compare, but it didn't hold a candle to Tyne Daly's performance which I thought was one of the most powerful and dramatic performances I've seen in anything.

[Composer9]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#108

Posted: 11/9/05 at 3:20am

I, too, LOVED Tyne Daly in Gypsy...she was phenominal...but I would still give Bernadette the Tony over MJW just because I preferred her performance...but that's just me.

The key to the mystery of a great artist is that for reasons unknown, he will give away his energies and his life just to make sure that one note follows another... and leaves us with the feeling that something is right in the world. ~Leonard Bernstein~

[Unknown User]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#109

Posted: 11/9/05 at 11:31pm

who else was nominated that year?
did anyone catch the video of winokur in her dressing room on Broadway.com?? she is annoying..

[melissa errico fan]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#110

Posted: 11/10/05 at 7:21am

The other three nominees were Melissa Errico for Amour, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio for Man of La Mancha and Elizabeth Parkinson for Movin' Out.

[flamingo]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#111

Posted: 11/10/05 at 8:58am

I'll let Bernadette herself say it: "It's not about prizes." (Approximate quote during a concert earlier this year.)

[MasterLcZ]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#112

Posted: 11/10/05 at 10:42am

I think a fair amount of the resentment that may people have regarding Winokur's win is the fact that she rubs a lot of people the wrong way. She's a brash, loud and frequently obnoxious newcomer who can say things that can make even me cringe. Whereas Bernadette is one of Broadways best-loved veteran stars for a reason. She's gorgeous, classy, a total pro and a hard worker. If for no other reason, many people would have loved to her win as a stinging rebuke to Reidel.

"Christ, Bette Davis?!?!"

[supafreak]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#113

Posted: 11/10/05 at 4:03pm

neither. personally, i'd have given it to elizabeth parkinson.

"Amen"--Annelle

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#114

Posted: 11/10/05 at 4:54pm

Bumping for more opinions.

[moljul]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#115

Posted: 11/11/05 at 10:06am

FIVE pages isn't enough for you?

Okay, I'll add mine. Bernadette all the way. She wasn't Ethel Merman though I don't think she ever tried to be. She was the first Rose I had seen that really made me understand the character as a human being (after all she was a person despite her monster tendancies). I still didn't like Rose but I understood how someone could drive themselves to those places. I appreciated this new interpretation of Rose and thought it was definitely the best performance by a leading actress in a musical that year. But time has moved on, the Tony was not awarded to her. She doesn't seem to be hurting for work.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#116

Posted: 11/11/05 at 10:08am

FIVE pages isn't enough for you?

They all mostly consisted of the same people posting back and forth and asking questions. Sheesh...

[moljul]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#117

Posted: 11/11/05 at 10:09am

Well that is a valid point.

[tthomas76]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#118

Posted: 11/11/05 at 10:26am

Bernadette no question... However, hasn't this been discussed other times?

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#119

Posted: 11/11/05 at 10:27am

tthomas...Im sure it has.

[my2cents]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#120

Posted: 11/11/05 at 11:08am

Bernadette peters was not consistent in her perfromance leading up to the tonys. When i watched her perform at the tonys, i said to myself that is not the performance I saw. Many people i know agreed. SHe improved as the show went on. But during tony voting, she was not up to par. Marissa gave an energetic performance that seperated her from the movie. I could go on. But at the time marissa did deserve the tonys over an unhealthy, inconsistent bernadette.

[children&art]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#121

Posted: 11/11/05 at 11:11am

for the past couple of years i go to new york for my birthday in may, it is a big deal for me ( i live in dallas, tx ).

anyways, i saw both of these women in their shows and not only did bernadette peters make me cry uncontrollably with her "rose's turn" but i ditched tix i had to "bug" and "cat on a hot tin roof" and returned to see "gypsy" two more times.

this in itself may not seem like a big thing, but i am over 6"6" tall and so to endure the incredibly uncomfortably tight confines of the Shubert three times makes it special to me.

besides that, i never really liked "gypsy" - seen too many amateur companies do it, poorly, and too many mayor's wives try to deliver on rose with an emptiness. but bernadette was magnificent from the moment she stepped on stage. some may say that she was trying too hard, but that's what rose is - we never see the "real" rose until "rose's turn" - the whole time it's all about postureing and strutting so she can get ahead.

wow wow wow, when we watched the tonys that year i was completely speechless. it seemed that the trend of giving the prize to the "new kid" (sutton foster for "millie", heather headley for "aida", natasha richardson for "cabaret") just continued, which was unfortunate.

Don't f*ck with me fellas. This ain't my first time at the rodeo.

[DAME]

re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#122

Posted: 11/11/05 at 1:08pm

children&art,
Glad you enjoyed it. But I don't believe Marissa recieved the award because of a trend. She deserved it. And many of us thought Bernadette didn't even deserve a nomination.

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