Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?- Page 3
Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#50
Posted: 11/8/05 at 11:25am
Bernadette was miscast and dreadful in the role. I had to see this a few times during the run ( Once I got tickets..other times I was taken). And all times she was always running out of steam, clearing her throat throughout, and giving weird line readings. AWFUL.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#51
Posted: 11/8/05 at 11:27am
I don't disagree with you many times, Dame.
But this time, I do.
I feel Peters was perfection in the role and delivered one of the most outstanding and breathtaking performances I have ever seen.
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#52
Posted: 11/8/05 at 11:31am
Well we agree to disagree I guess. I thought her performance was a travesty. And thats all I am going to say . But I AM GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT. 
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#53
Posted: 11/8/05 at 12:13pmI am a Bernadette fan and personally loved the show and think she should have won, but it seems on what day you saw her perform. Some days she was coughing through the role and others she sang with perfection. She always seemed to save enough to give a killer Rose's Turn. The reason Bernadette didn't get the Tony is because people wrote the show off before it even began previews.
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#54
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:36pmThats not true. i didn't write it off and expected to love her in it as I have inso many other things she has done. I just thought it was awful.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#55
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:40pmi wanted to love it as well. julie halston is one of my idols!!
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#56
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:41pm
How many times are we going to have this argument? Winokur won because she was in THE hot show, and it was going to tour. Out of town producers who are Tony voters wanted it to win because they were presenting it in their theaters.
When will you all begin to understand how political this process is?
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#57
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:44pm
Rath.. you are right. That's 70% of the reason she won. She was also very good in the show.. and despite what selective memory would have people believe.. Bernadettes turn as Rose had a very mixed reception. Lots of folks loved her in it.. and lots os folks ( Like me) were underwelmed.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#58
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:47pm
Yes Rath, we understand that. No one ever said otherwise.
This thread is WHO DESERVED IT, not WHY didn't she win.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#59
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:48pm
Okay.
Peters deserved it.
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#60
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:49pmMarissa deserved it. I am glad she won.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#61
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:52pmI think you've said that before dame, let me go check...
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#62
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:53pmA few times and in 100's of threads. And I will probaly say it again. ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT???????
Leading Actor Joined: 10/4/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#63
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:55pmEven though I had a great time at "Hairspray," I think Bernadette deserved the Tony. Tracy is a physically demanding role, but Mama Rose is more emotionally demanding. Both are difficult roles to do 8 times a week, but I think Peters gave a more in depth performance, as required by the role.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#64
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:56pmCould it also be that they've already given the Tony for Best Actress to Angela Lansbury and Tyne Daly for the same role? Like someone else said, maybe they wanted to give to someone else for a change. (I never saw either performance so my opinion is arbitrary.)
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re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#65
Posted: 11/8/05 at 1:59pm
Or could it just be that Tony voters were underwhelmed with her Rose? And that the production was flat and a flop?
I mean.. Could it just be that people that vote just didn't like her in it? It could just be that you know.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#67
Posted: 11/8/05 at 3:29pmi will personally see that a special tony for accuracy in dramatis personae is awarded to anyone willing to stop calling the role "mamma rose". the character's name is ROSE.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#68
Posted: 11/8/05 at 3:30pm
Count me among those who were underwhelmed. The first time I saw Peters, she struggled, gasping her way through it, sustained notes for only half their values (whole notes became half notes, etc...), carefully paced herself, crooning the role (her mic must have been turned up very high) rather than actually singing it. She saved everything for "Everything's Coming Up Rose's" (which was staged like a bad calistenics routine with her marching nonsensically all over the stage) and "Rose's Turn" (which was more phlegm, heavy breathing and pinched expressions than an actual performance).
The second time I saw her towards the end of the run, her voice was in better shape, but sorry to say I was still unimpressed. She's a talented lady (whom I've seen and loved in most everything she's done since Sunday in the Park with George, especially Dot, Emma, and The Witch), but she's no Rose IMO. Great performers in great performances fully inhabit a role, disapearing into and becoming the character and seem to do it effortlessly. Both times when I saw Peters, I saw an actress WORKING very very hard to keep up with the exhausting demands of a role too big for her, as if she wore size 6, but Rose was supposed to be a size 12 and she was trying to compensate for the difference. Each time I could see the visible strain she was going through (and I caught her a couple of times having to coast a bit in order to catch her breath).
However you want to play her (and yes there were some fresh ideas in Peters' interpretation), Rose HAS to be an inexhaustable dynamo of energy -- Peters just didn't have the stamina for it. Ultimately, I found her unbelievable in the role, both acting and vocal-wise. And look, I know every Rose struggled to some extent with the role (Merman missed the only performances of her entire career after bursting a blood vessel in her throat doing Rose), but Peters seemed especially taxed. Daly had more than her share of vocal issues, but she was such a total powerhouse in every other aspect that she managed to wipe away any other deficiencies. Peters couldn't do that. I know the poor dear tried her best -- I could see every ounce of the effort -- but for me, she just didn't make for a convincing Rose.
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#69
Posted: 11/8/05 at 3:57pm
Margo:
Would you have given the Tony to Winokur?
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#70
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:00pm
I think that can be assumed, based on Margo's post...
I still believe that Bernadette was robbed, just as Tonya Pinkins was. Idina Menzel won the award for the same reason that MJW did.
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#71
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:01pmmunk: There were other people who were nominated for Best Actress in a Musical that year. Maybe Margo thought neither deserved to win.
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#72
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:03pmI suppose you could be right. Who were they, I honestly don't even remember.
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#73
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:06pm
Marissa Jaret Winokur, HAIRSPRAY
Melisa Errico, AMOUR
Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, MAN OF LAMANCHA
Elizabeth Parkinson, MOVIN OUT
Bernadette Peters, GYPSY
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/04
re: Winokur vs. Peters...Who deserved it?#74
Posted: 11/8/05 at 4:07pmAll VERY VERY talented women in their own right if you ask me.
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