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#1

Works that changed Musical Theatre

HEY. What musicals do you think changed musical theatre (in a positive way) and why?I was just thinking about the history of it. It could go as far back as Rodgers and Hammerstein
#2

Works that changed Musical Theatre

Shouldn't it go back further to the Kern Princess shows and Show Boat (to use just two very obvious examples)?
#3

Works that changed Musical Theatre

This list feels awfully long, but these are my thoughts...

* OKLAHOMA! – integrated song, dance, and dialogue
* WEST SIDE STORY – dance-driven story (similar to a ballet)
* BYE BYE BIRDIE – rock music
* COMPANY – concept musical (one could also argue this with Cabaret, but I feel like Company is a stronger example)
* SWEENEY TODD – So operatic in a way never seen before
* A CHORUS LINE
* LA CAGE AUX FOLLES – Homosexuals depicted in a positive way onstage in a musical
* BEAUTY AND THE BEAST – Cleaned up Broadway/NY/Times Square with the Disney Company
* RENT – AIDS and modern rock musical
* SPIDERMAN – There hasn't been anything like this ever before.

((I would throw in GUYS & DOLLS and GYPSY in here somewhere not because they really changed MT but because they are 2 of the strongest book musicals ever written, and maybe one of the Webber and/or MacKintosh shows))

Updated On: 9/11/11 at 07:31 PM

#4

Works that changed Musical Theatre

It's safe to say that Rent was the turning point for pop/rock shows, so it definitely made an impact on the future of musical theater.
#5

Works that changed Musical Theatre

I'm sure BYE, BYE, BIRDIE changed some attitudes and sold a few tickets with its supposed view into what "the kids were doing."

But rock on Broadway was pretty tepid stuff until HAIR.
#6

Works that changed Musical Theatre

Two problems with your list, Sondheimfan - first, Oklahoma was most certainly not the first show to integrate dance, song, and dialogue. That was The Black Crook in 1866... LONG before Oklahoma. Second, Spiderman didn't change ANYTHING about musical theatre. 'nothing like it' doesn't indicate change. It indicates a misstep.

As for my own list;

Show Boat
Pal Joey
Oklahoma!
West Side Story
South Pacific
Gypsy
Hair
Company
Dreamgirls
Sweeney Todd
Evita
Phantom
RENT
Wicked
In The Heights
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#7

Works that changed Musical Theatre

How was Rent a turning point for "rock musicals"?

How/What did Rent change?
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#9

Works that changed Musical Theatre

it's interesting, prior to showboat, different 'movements' all had a role in the formative aspect of the American Musical. Blake and Sissell, Kern and the Princess Shows, Vaudeville, The Black Crook, Alexander Cohen, the Follies, the George White Scandals. In addition to dancers/choreographers like Ballanchine and DeMille and...and...and...
the idea of the musical is that it could have only been produced by America in the way that it was because of the influx of immigrants into New York at the time and their living in such close proximity in and around New York. The Melting Pot as historians love to call it, is really an impetus for all this artistic/entertainment development.

But i don't think it's hyperbolic to say that with Showboat the synthesis is established and with Oklahoma! complete.

My list:
Showboat

Pal Joey - Ist real anit-hero

Oklahoma! - The seamless vision of Hammerstein II and Rodgers that really legitimizes the new musical comedy form.

West Side Story - Use of dance to tell large parts of the story

Hair - influence of younger artists taking the reins from the older generation

Company - concept musical - but really it's not that nothing happens, it's the development of the themes - which one would argue is significantly different than plot. what it's about versus what happens. Company really explodes onto the scene with this idea fully utilized and integrated

A Chorus Line - I've never really embraced this show as a concept musical. started the public, and the workshop process. but also reached parts of america with a reviatlized sense of The American Theater. it's working class themes resonated as we were spriling into recession.

Evita - JCS was i think somewhat of an anomaly. But with Evita, a SUPER HIT, it became a form that was - from a box office standpoint legitimized. With Cats, that moment is completed and we have a goodly number of European imports within that mold.

Sunday in the Park with George and Assassins - both shows seem to push the limiits of what a show can be about and how to tell the story; kaleidoscopic, meandering, overtly intellectual or political. Mainstream - and this is an important parameter - mainstream shows are rarely so adventurous.

Floyd Collins and Caronline or Change - both are what i would consider community character studies. each has a central character study at play but each also brings the same level of seriousness to most if not all the supporting characters in such an integrated way.

Adding Machine - a truly harrowing experience. and a musical. it is now that the anit hero and the political commentary and the 'non-hummable' musica and the fractured structure really seem to be elements of a production that seeks to reflect how we live.

if the theater and art in general has a central role, i would argue that it's to reflect society's positions - morals - ethics - the way we live with one another. it's not life, it's a refraction - a way of understanding how we live together.
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Works that changed Musical Theatre

Any list that doesn't include the following is vastly incomplete:
Show Boat (for the darker themes it explores)
Oklahoma! (The first to make that style popular, yes there was the Black Crook, and yes it's really the first, but Oklahoma! was the first to really run)
Cabaret and Company (For the concept musical aspect)
Hair (Rock musical)
A Chorus Line (for starting the workshop process for musicals, and for running for years)
Cats/Evita (the start of the British Invasion...although I'd argue more for Cats than Evita)
Phantom (For it's longevity)
Rent (introduction of the lottery system)

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#11

Works that changed Musical Theatre

I'd add OF THEE I SING! as well. It's seen as a bit of a chestnut these days, but it really was one of (if not the) first Broadway shows to blur the line between operetta and musical theatre, and to handle political topics well on stage in a musical (something that's still hard to pull off). And by virtue of being the first musical to win a Pulitzer, you could say it added weight to the genre. Personally, I think it still holds up very well, especially the recent-ish Encores staging.
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#13

Works that changed Musical Theatre

@ac - i heartily agree that Of Thee I Sing should be included.

i am more on the fence with rent. i know that it revitalizes the rock musical - in a mainstream way. i seem to remember seasons of love/la vie bohem getting a little radio airplay - in the midwest. but still for some reason i don't think of it as form shattering.

i would be close to adding Porgy and Bess and Bring in 'da Noise, Bring in 'da Funk.
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#14

Works that changed Musical Theatre

Per legend, THE BLACK CROOK became a musical when the producer took some stranded ballet dancers and stuck them into his failing melodrama, figuring the girls prancing from time to time in skimpy costumes would sell tickets.

I don't think we can fairly call that "integration of elements" on the scale of OKLAHOMA!

Even SHOW BOAT was merely a step on the road. Yes, it's doubtful that "Make Believe" and "Ol' Man River" would have been written for any other play, but songs like "Goodbye, My Lady Love" can and are swapped in and out from production to production. "Why Do I Love You?" could have worked in any Kern operetta.

In contrast, it's hard to imagine any sane person replacing "People Will Say We're in Love" with "Younger than Springtime."
#15

Works that changed Musical Theatre

I'm not sure what aspects you are considering, but A Chorus Line was used as an example of innovation in lighting. Techniques that were normally used in movies were brought to the stage.
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#16

Works that changed Musical Theatre

Oklahoma - First integrated musical
West Side Story, contemporary/social issues/modern dance
Hair - Revolutionary Rock Musical, song cycle
Sweeney Todd - Thriller/spectacle
Cats - Modern Spectacle, synthesized, British invasion (meant shows could run long)
A Chorus Line - Self reflective theatre, autobiographical workshop process
Rent - Provocative, ugly world, rock-opera
The Producers - Blockbuster, Musical theatre as mode to get rich. Tonys now matter.
Wicked - Pop musical, changed musical sensibility, new audience.
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