Shakespeare Identified

[ahamilton]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 2:47pm

Sir Derek Jacobi, Michael York, Mark Rylance, Orson Wells and other thespians have doubted or rejected the idea of the man from Stratford-on-Avon as the author known as "William Shakespeare." Most recently, Roland Emmerich asserted in his movie, Anonymous, that Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford was Shakespeare, the son of Queen Elizabeth and her lover, who produced a child, Henry Wriothesley, 3rd Earl of Southampon.

The historical assertions in the movie are based on my book, Oxford: Son of Queen Elizabeth I, which can be found on Amazon.com, or for more information on the whole debate, and why the above is true, please visit my website, www.shakespeareidentified.com.

Please don't post any wild assertions of the established facts you learned in college: the established truth that has been wrong for generations. (I have heard them all before. Visit the website, I answer most of them there.) There are good reasons why the above men support the Earl of Oxford as the author. Mainly, they are drawn to Oxford to help them understand the works and the characters that Shakespeare/Oxford presents.

Paul Streitz
Shakespeare Identified.

[CapnHook]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 2:53pm

Going for the hard sell, eh?

[gvendo2005]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 2:57pm

Very hard sell; it was totally Christopher Marlowe.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 3:04pm

Your link stinks. I use that phrase for all its multiple meanings.


Team Will.

[Proper Villain]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 3:23pm

The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.

[AC126748]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 3:49pm

And if anyone wants to read some actual scholarship on the subject...
Contested Will

[Gaveston2]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:22pm

Thanks, AC. I'm put off by a writer who starts a thread announcing his view and then immediately demands that no contrary positions be posted.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:26pm

He didn't say that, exactly. He just demanded that "wild assertions of the established facts" not be put in this thread. And by that, one can assume he meant "assertions of the established facts."

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:30pm

This is also coming from the same person who just casually slipped his own musical into the discussion of the musicals that have been considered the best throughout the history of the art form.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:36pm

You just have to love someone that starts a thread on a DISCUSSION board, that obviously does not actually have a desire for discussion.

And because other have 'doubted' or 'rejected' proves nothing. They are ACTORS for Sondheim's sake -- and while they are entitled to their opinion -- they aren't the end all to this discussion.

I understand the argument against Willie being the author, but stranger things have happened all throughout time.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:38pm

I hope you all will kickstart and then buy my upcoming chap book, "From 'My Fair Lady' to 'OH, JOHNNY': The Great Seismic Shift in Musical Theatre, Part 1." Thanking you in advance.

[AC126748]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:53pm

People who believe Edward de Vere was the author of Shakespeare's plays also believe that he was the illegitimate child of Elizabeth I...and then grew up to be her lover. So, yeah, these are the folks on that side of the debate.

One of them even wrote a children's book about it.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 5:00pm

I saw ACT in San Francisco's terrible production of Amy Freed's "Beard of Avon" back in 2002 and THAT'S what I think of when I encounter the wild assertions of the Oxfordians.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 5:01pm

I thought that it had already been established that Dr. Seuss wrote the plays.

[Gaveston2]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 5:05pm

He didn't say that, exactly. He just demanded that "wild assertions of the established facts" not be put in this thread. And by that, one can assume he meant "assertions of the established facts."

Yes, you're quoting correctly, Namo. But my comment referred to "a writer" in general rather mentioning this one by name. I was speaking of the principle of the matter.

I believe the principle is the same, whether the OP announces a ban on all contrary views or merely certain ones.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 5:06pm

I thought Shakespeare's daughter Susannah collaborated on the Seuss things. She obviously couldn't have written "Hop on Pop!," being a simple farm girl.

[whatever2]

Posted: 5/27/12 at 7:05pm

Well, now, wait a minute ... if Edward could hop on mom, why couldn't Susannah Hop on Pop?!?!?

:o

[wonkit]

Posted: 5/28/12 at 11:39am

The fact that so many of the plays appeared after Oxford's death is kind of hard to explain, no?

[AC126748]

Posted: 5/28/12 at 11:43am

Oxfordians believe that their candidate was a child prodigy who completed the entire Shakespeare corpus at a young age. They believe, for example that Edward de Vere wrote A MIDSUMMER'S NIGHT DREAM at age nine. They have an answer for every factual impossibility...which are many.

[Kad]

Posted: 5/28/12 at 1:15pm

Oxfordians actually believe that the post-1604 plays are either incomplete or collaborations, indicating that their man wrote at least part of them and the rest was written by others.

I think the arguments are silly and, ultimately, diminishing to the whole body of work.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/28/12 at 11:13pm

The "Oxfordians" who believe that Shakespeare couldn't possibly have written his own plays are the British equivalent of the American "Birthers," who believe that Barack Obama couldn't possibly have been born an American.

Well, guess what, Professor Crazyman? I don't believe Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote all the music he claims to have written!

Updated On: 5/28/12 at 11:13 PM

[gvendo2005]

Posted: 5/29/12 at 11:33am

But Joey, that's actually provable.

[Eris0303]

Posted: 5/29/12 at 12:19pm

Oh, come on you guys! Everyone knows that James Patterson and his team of ghostwriters were responsible for every single one of those plays.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 5/29/12 at 12:24pm

Super-intelligent monkeys from the future wrote Shakespeare's plays. DUH.

[Eris0303]

Posted: 5/29/12 at 12:30pm

Joe, isn't that the same as what I just posted?