Shakespeare Identified

[ahamilton]

Shakespeare Identified#1

Posted: 5/27/12 at 2:47pm

Sir Derek Jacobi, Michael York, Mark Rylance, Orson Wells and other thespians have doubted or rejected the idea of the man from Stratford-on-Avon as the author known as "William Shakespeare." Most recently, Roland Emmerich asserted in his movie, Anonymous, that Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford was Shakespeare, the son of Queen Elizabeth and her lover, who produced a child, Henry Wriothesley, 3rd Earl of Southampon.

The historical assertions in the movie are based on my book, Oxford: Son of Queen Elizabeth I, which can be found on Amazon.com, or for more information on the whole debate, and why the above is true, please visit my website, www.shakespeareidentified.com.

Please don't post any wild assertions of the established facts you learned in college: the established truth that has been wrong for generations. (I have heard them all before. Visit the website, I answer most of them there.) There are good reasons why the above men support the Earl of Oxford as the author. Mainly, they are drawn to Oxford to help them understand the works and the characters that Shakespeare/Oxford presents.

Paul Streitz
Shakespeare Identified.

[CapnHook]

Shakespeare Identified#2

Posted: 5/27/12 at 2:53pm

Going for the hard sell, eh?

"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle

[gvendo2005]

Shakespeare Identified#2

Posted: 5/27/12 at 2:57pm

Very hard sell; it was totally Christopher Marlowe.

"There is no problem so big that it cannot be run away from." ~ Charles M. Schulz

[FindingNamo]

Shakespeare Identified#3

Posted: 5/27/12 at 3:04pm

Your link stinks. I use that phrase for all its multiple meanings.


Team Will.

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[Proper Villain]

Shakespeare Identified#4

Posted: 5/27/12 at 3:23pm

The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.

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[AC126748]

Shakespeare Identified#5

Posted: 5/27/12 at 3:49pm

And if anyone wants to read some actual scholarship on the subject...
Contested Will

"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe." -John Guare, Landscape of the Body

[Gaveston2]

Shakespeare Identified#6

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:22pm

Thanks, AC. I'm put off by a writer who starts a thread announcing his view and then immediately demands that no contrary positions be posted.

[FindingNamo]

Shakespeare Identified#7

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:26pm

He didn't say that, exactly. He just demanded that "wild assertions of the established facts" not be put in this thread. And by that, one can assume he meant "assertions of the established facts."

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[AEA AGMA SM]

Shakespeare Identified#8

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:30pm

This is also coming from the same person who just casually slipped his own musical into the discussion of the musicals that have been considered the best throughout the history of the art form.

[dramamama611]

Shakespeare Identified#9

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:36pm

You just have to love someone that starts a thread on a DISCUSSION board, that obviously does not actually have a desire for discussion.

And because other have 'doubted' or 'rejected' proves nothing. They are ACTORS for Sondheim's sake -- and while they are entitled to their opinion -- they aren't the end all to this discussion.

I understand the argument against Willie being the author, but stranger things have happened all throughout time.

If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

[FindingNamo]

Shakespeare Identified#10

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:38pm

I hope you all will kickstart and then buy my upcoming chap book, "From 'My Fair Lady' to 'OH, JOHNNY': The Great Seismic Shift in Musical Theatre, Part 1." Thanking you in advance.

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[AC126748]

Shakespeare Identified#11

Posted: 5/27/12 at 4:53pm

People who believe Edward de Vere was the author of Shakespeare's plays also believe that he was the illegitimate child of Elizabeth I...and then grew up to be her lover. So, yeah, these are the folks on that side of the debate.

One of them even wrote a children's book about it.

"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe." -John Guare, Landscape of the Body

[FindingNamo]

Shakespeare Identified#12

Posted: 5/27/12 at 5:00pm

I saw ACT in San Francisco's terrible production of Amy Freed's "Beard of Avon" back in 2002 and THAT'S what I think of when I encounter the wild assertions of the Oxfordians.

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[Gothampc]

Shakespeare Identified#13

Posted: 5/27/12 at 5:01pm

I thought that it had already been established that Dr. Seuss wrote the plays.

If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

[Gaveston2]

Shakespeare Identified#14

Posted: 5/27/12 at 5:05pm

He didn't say that, exactly. He just demanded that "wild assertions of the established facts" not be put in this thread. And by that, one can assume he meant "assertions of the established facts."

Yes, you're quoting correctly, Namo. But my comment referred to "a writer" in general rather mentioning this one by name. I was speaking of the principle of the matter.

I believe the principle is the same, whether the OP announces a ban on all contrary views or merely certain ones.

[FindingNamo]

Shakespeare Identified#15

Posted: 5/27/12 at 5:06pm

I thought Shakespeare's daughter Susannah collaborated on the Seuss things. She obviously couldn't have written "Hop on Pop!," being a simple farm girl.

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[whatever2]

Shakespeare Identified#16

Posted: 5/27/12 at 7:05pm

Well, now, wait a minute ... if Edward could hop on mom, why couldn't Susannah Hop on Pop?!?!?

:o

"You, sir, are a moron." (PlayItAgain)

[wonkit]

Shakespeare Identified#17

Posted: 5/28/12 at 11:39am

The fact that so many of the plays appeared after Oxford's death is kind of hard to explain, no?

[AC126748]

Shakespeare Identified#18

Posted: 5/28/12 at 11:43am

Oxfordians believe that their candidate was a child prodigy who completed the entire Shakespeare corpus at a young age. They believe, for example that Edward de Vere wrote A MIDSUMMER'S NIGHT DREAM at age nine. They have an answer for every factual impossibility...which are many.

"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe." -John Guare, Landscape of the Body

[Kad]

Shakespeare Identified#19

Posted: 5/28/12 at 1:15pm

Oxfordians actually believe that the post-1604 plays are either incomplete or collaborations, indicating that their man wrote at least part of them and the rest was written by others.

I think the arguments are silly and, ultimately, diminishing to the whole body of work.

"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."

[PalJoey]

Shakespeare Mis-Identified#20

Posted: 5/28/12 at 11:13pm

The "Oxfordians" who believe that Shakespeare couldn't possibly have written his own plays are the British equivalent of the American "Birthers," who believe that Barack Obama couldn't possibly have been born an American.

Well, guess what, Professor Crazyman? I don't believe Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote all the music he claims to have written!

Updated On: 5/28/12 at 11:13 PM

[gvendo2005]

Shakespeare Mis-Identified#21

Posted: 5/29/12 at 11:33am

But Joey, that's actually provable.

"There is no problem so big that it cannot be run away from." ~ Charles M. Schulz

[Eris0303]

Shakespeare Mis-Identified#22

Posted: 5/29/12 at 12:19pm

Oh, come on you guys! Everyone knows that James Patterson and his team of ghostwriters were responsible for every single one of those plays.

"All our dreams can come true -- if we have the courage to pursue them." -- Walt Disney We must have different Gods. My God said "do to others what you would have them do to you". Your God seems to have said "My Way or the Highway".

[Unknown User]

Shakespeare Mis-Identified#23

Posted: 5/29/12 at 12:24pm

Super-intelligent monkeys from the future wrote Shakespeare's plays. DUH.

[Eris0303]

Shakespeare Mis-Identified#24

Posted: 5/29/12 at 12:30pm

Joe, isn't that the same as what I just posted?

"All our dreams can come true -- if we have the courage to pursue them." -- Walt Disney We must have different Gods. My God said "do to others what you would have them do to you". Your God seems to have said "My Way or the Highway".