#51
Posted: 11/24/09 at 12:56am
This thread is getting weird.
ABC Receives 1,500 Complaints About Adam Lambert Kissing a Man — Page 3
#52
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:02am
I just hope my liking prefab music doesn't take away from my love for artists like Pet Shop Boys, Jeff Buckley, and Muse. How broad are the brushes we're using?
#53
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:02am
JRB, I totally hear and acknowledge the fact that I only heard the clips. But the title song, with that metallic cyclamate artificial flavoring, color and sweetening, does lead me to believe that he's being micromanaged by the machine and that's the sad road to the sad sound of the sad pop hits that make up the mostly-garbage that gets attention nowadays. And I think the leg-up that AI gives people is in fact, the mythical American short cut that almost never pays off and also almost never ends with anything of lasting or enduring quality.
And I admit I say that without ever having made it through an entire episode of AI. I turned it on the night of the Iraq War kick off and those awful people were forcing these people who wanted a short cut to fame singing how they were proud to be Americans "where at least" they knew they were "free." And I wanted to vomit. It was a Romanesque celebration of the death of civilians.
So, yeah, that turned me off totally.
And I admit I say that without ever having made it through an entire episode of AI. I turned it on the night of the Iraq War kick off and those awful people were forcing these people who wanted a short cut to fame singing how they were proud to be Americans "where at least" they knew they were "free." And I wanted to vomit. It was a Romanesque celebration of the death of civilians.
So, yeah, that turned me off totally.
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#54
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:08am
I often have to hold my nose while watching that show. But the good parts are great.
And, I don't hold the completely cynical view of AI despite its flaws because I believe that they have found truly great people here and there. And giving them a fast track--ain't no shame in that. It isn't less artistic if they didn't have to pay as many dues.
The cream rises to the top. If they are truly good, they will flourish. If not, they will sink and sink fast. Time will tell. However opportunity knocks, it's still up to you what to do with it. And if you can't deliver the goods, it wasn't meant to be.
To be fair, I know there are brilliant musicians who would never pass the first rounds of AI scrutiny and that is truly tragic.
And, I don't hold the completely cynical view of AI despite its flaws because I believe that they have found truly great people here and there. And giving them a fast track--ain't no shame in that. It isn't less artistic if they didn't have to pay as many dues.
The cream rises to the top. If they are truly good, they will flourish. If not, they will sink and sink fast. Time will tell. However opportunity knocks, it's still up to you what to do with it. And if you can't deliver the goods, it wasn't meant to be.
To be fair, I know there are brilliant musicians who would never pass the first rounds of AI scrutiny and that is truly tragic.
#55
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:10am
I don't know that the cream rises to the top with AI, even on its own terms. Isn't it more often the runner up that enjoys bigger success?
#56
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:12am
I meant in the bigger scheme of things--Jennifer Hudson, for example. Or Daughtry.
#57
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:26am
Yeah, but again, they were both fourth, I think. The cream is rising to the middle. It's too early to tell how many of them will have lasting careers, but even basic statistics says it's not gonna be many.
#58
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:55am
Yeah, but again, they were both fourth, I think. The cream is rising to the middle.
That's good, though. American Idol is just like a Twinkie - the middle is where the cream belongs.
Also, the hyperbole on the reviews on iTunes just put me over the edge.
Same thing on every group of fan reviews you will ever read. To be honest, I'd rather hyperbolic statements of greatment get lobbed at something so obviously undeserving as FYE. It's much more embarrassing to hear that kind of talk repeated with perfect grammar and undue gravitas for the more credible and thoughtful artists I also admire.
That's good, though. American Idol is just like a Twinkie - the middle is where the cream belongs.
Also, the hyperbole on the reviews on iTunes just put me over the edge.
Same thing on every group of fan reviews you will ever read. To be honest, I'd rather hyperbolic statements of greatment get lobbed at something so obviously undeserving as FYE. It's much more embarrassing to hear that kind of talk repeated with perfect grammar and undue gravitas for the more credible and thoughtful artists I also admire.
#59
Posted: 11/24/09 at 3:00am
I thought the performance was horrid on all levels. I think his screeching is totally over done and completely unnecessary. Then again, I love P!nk, so what do I know?
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#60
Posted: 11/24/09 at 3:07am
But 1500 isn't very many out of 15+million... isit?
#61
Posted: 11/24/09 at 3:18am
And the Britney/Madonna/Christina kiss might not have gotten as many complaints, but it was also on MTV. This was on ABC. Of course people are going to complain. That's what people do. I wasn't in any way offended, obviously, but I was bored and embarrassed for him.
Pretty pretty please don't you ever ever feel like you're less than f**ckin' perfect!
#62
Posted: 11/24/09 at 6:05am
I was just so glad that someone, anyone, decided to do something other than Taylor Swiftian vanilla that it didn't bother me in the least that he came from AI (agreed - the death knell for decent music) or that his performance was poor or inauthentic.
....but the world goes 'round
#63
Posted: 11/24/09 at 7:50am
The fact that, Kris Allen, the winner of AI was co-presenting an award whilst the runner up, Adam Lambert, was busy closing the show in an all out controversial performance says it all.
'Talent' shows like that are ridiculous, it no doubt has incredibly talented people involved but when you let the public vote for anything it turns to ****. They have no clue.
I agree that starting off his career with a cocky rockstar attitude and most probably staged controversy, was not a good move. Fans from AI know he's a great singer, but to everyone else who didn't know of him/were on the fence before won't be convinced. The persona kind of works, you believe it, but starting a career with a punch in the face rarely works these days.
Lady GaGa didn't start off overly quirky, she evolved along with her hits, which made her odd...but credible. The fact she writes/creates it all helps too.
But anyway, these complaints are hardly a big deal. I doubt anyones bothered about it. Adam's probably more concerned about getting in another high profile performance to show he can actually sing. He's got the publics attention, now lets see what he can do with it.
'Talent' shows like that are ridiculous, it no doubt has incredibly talented people involved but when you let the public vote for anything it turns to ****. They have no clue.
I agree that starting off his career with a cocky rockstar attitude and most probably staged controversy, was not a good move. Fans from AI know he's a great singer, but to everyone else who didn't know of him/were on the fence before won't be convinced. The persona kind of works, you believe it, but starting a career with a punch in the face rarely works these days.
Lady GaGa didn't start off overly quirky, she evolved along with her hits, which made her odd...but credible. The fact she writes/creates it all helps too.
But anyway, these complaints are hardly a big deal. I doubt anyones bothered about it. Adam's probably more concerned about getting in another high profile performance to show he can actually sing. He's got the publics attention, now lets see what he can do with it.
Updated On: 11/24/09 at 07:50 AM
#64
Posted: 11/24/09 at 7:56am
ABC is anything but upset with the reaction. They were promoting his performance all night as the one you had to see to believe, and the one everyone would be talking about the next day. They hyped it to the hilt and saved it for the end of the show for a reason. They knew exactly what they were getting, and they got it!
I thought it was a little rough, and he did come off as trying a wee bit too hard. But anyone willing to put themselves out there the way he did earns my respect. I wasn't planning on buying his album, but I will now; even if I play it once and never listen to it again. More artists should have the courage of their convictions. Maybe he doesn't want to build a career on the quality of his voice. There are plenty of excellent singers out there whose careers go nowhere. He obviously knows that today, for better or for worse, you have to have more than a good, or even great, voice to sell records and make it in the business. Unfortunately, a good voice and real talent isn't even a prerequisite. Fortunately for him, he does have a very good voice. But maybe he wants to carve a niche for himself as a provocateur and a performer who pushes limits and incites controversy. Hasn't seemed to hurt Madonna's career much. And no, Madonna didn't start pushing the envelope after 20 years as an established artist. She did it right out of the box. People have been predicting the demise of her career for the past 25 plus years. But she's still here and going strong. I have a feeling Adam Lambert is going to be around for a long time to come. Some will love him, some will hate him. But as long as they're talking...
I thought it was a little rough, and he did come off as trying a wee bit too hard. But anyone willing to put themselves out there the way he did earns my respect. I wasn't planning on buying his album, but I will now; even if I play it once and never listen to it again. More artists should have the courage of their convictions. Maybe he doesn't want to build a career on the quality of his voice. There are plenty of excellent singers out there whose careers go nowhere. He obviously knows that today, for better or for worse, you have to have more than a good, or even great, voice to sell records and make it in the business. Unfortunately, a good voice and real talent isn't even a prerequisite. Fortunately for him, he does have a very good voice. But maybe he wants to carve a niche for himself as a provocateur and a performer who pushes limits and incites controversy. Hasn't seemed to hurt Madonna's career much. And no, Madonna didn't start pushing the envelope after 20 years as an established artist. She did it right out of the box. People have been predicting the demise of her career for the past 25 plus years. But she's still here and going strong. I have a feeling Adam Lambert is going to be around for a long time to come. Some will love him, some will hate him. But as long as they're talking...
Updated On: 11/24/09 at 07:56 AM
#65
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:51pm
ABC has canceled Adam Lambert's performance on Good Morning America do to his performance on the AMA's
Canceled
Canceled
Updated On: 11/24/09 at 01:51 PM
#66
Posted: 11/24/09 at 1:59pm
The thought I had watching Monday's The View last night was that (bad performance aside) the more people are scandalized and the more the clip is "too dirty to show" and possibly with this GMA cancellation, he's going to just maybe come out way on top with all this. Try telling kids they can't watch something...
Updated On: 11/24/09 at 01:59 PM
#67
Posted: 11/24/09 at 2:00pm
CNN just reported it also. I think CNN said that GMA said he might be to racey for morning tv.
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#68
Posted: 11/24/09 at 2:12pm
Ok NOW this is making me angry. I get that the performance was over the top, I get that it was probably not in such great taste, but oh my god he is NOT some vile person with no concept of what's appropriate! haha
He went as far as he did at the AMAs BECAUSE it was a nighttime awards show and most of the other performers had ALREADY given highly sexual performances.
I do not usually like to pull out the discrimination card, and never have before with anything Adam-related, but THIS is a double standard and discrimination. Female pop artists do this kind of stuff all the time. I find it in kind of poor taste when they do it as well, but the point is THEY DO IT. Janet Jackson opened the show at 8:00 by grabbing a guy's crotch, but NO ONE is focusing on that one! Shakira and Lady GaGa also had highly provocative performances, but no one even batted an eye lash.
Adam is not dumb- he would NOT try and pull what he did at the AMAs on a morning show. He went all the way through Idol without being inappropriate, so what gives ABC the right to assume he won't have the common sense to tone things down now? He got a little carried away at the AMAs- he said so himself in a Z100 interview this morning- but he is NOT some vulgar person with no common sense in terms of what's appropriate. If he's going on a morning show, he's GOING to tone it down. There's NO reason not to trust his common sense, and if he was a female pop artist they WOULD be trusting him.
Again, I AGREE that he got a little too carried away at the AMAs and it came out looking downright raunchy. But the point is that the reason he LET himself go there in the first place was because the show allowed for it! The AMAs WERE very racy as a whole this year. It's just no one cares about that until it's a guy getting racy with another guy. And that's not fair.
He went as far as he did at the AMAs BECAUSE it was a nighttime awards show and most of the other performers had ALREADY given highly sexual performances.
I do not usually like to pull out the discrimination card, and never have before with anything Adam-related, but THIS is a double standard and discrimination. Female pop artists do this kind of stuff all the time. I find it in kind of poor taste when they do it as well, but the point is THEY DO IT. Janet Jackson opened the show at 8:00 by grabbing a guy's crotch, but NO ONE is focusing on that one! Shakira and Lady GaGa also had highly provocative performances, but no one even batted an eye lash.
Adam is not dumb- he would NOT try and pull what he did at the AMAs on a morning show. He went all the way through Idol without being inappropriate, so what gives ABC the right to assume he won't have the common sense to tone things down now? He got a little carried away at the AMAs- he said so himself in a Z100 interview this morning- but he is NOT some vulgar person with no common sense in terms of what's appropriate. If he's going on a morning show, he's GOING to tone it down. There's NO reason not to trust his common sense, and if he was a female pop artist they WOULD be trusting him.
Again, I AGREE that he got a little too carried away at the AMAs and it came out looking downright raunchy. But the point is that the reason he LET himself go there in the first place was because the show allowed for it! The AMAs WERE very racy as a whole this year. It's just no one cares about that until it's a guy getting racy with another guy. And that's not fair.
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Updated On: 11/24/09 at 02:12 PM
#69
Posted: 11/24/09 at 2:25pm
I think the GMA thing is total bull****. Hasn't he performed on morning shows before? He managed to keep it appropriately clean.
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#70
Posted: 11/24/09 at 2:26pm
I heard he's going to be on either Today or the Early Show now though. Not sure which one.
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#71
Posted: 11/24/09 at 2:39pm
I think the GMA thing is total bull****. Hasn't he performed on morning shows before? He managed to keep it appropriately clean.
EXACTLY. Anyone who has followed him at all knows that he can be the epitome of charming when it's called for. He knows full well when it's time to turn off the sex and turn up the charm, and there's no reason to start not trusting him now just because he may have gotten a little carried away with ONE late night, risque-awards-show-to-begin-with performance.
Not gonna lie though, it's going to make me really happy seeing him do the Early Show and knowing the ABC people are probably going to be like "...but...but.. this isn't vulgar at all and he seems really sweet! This just makes us look bad for not letting him do it!" DAMN STRAIGHT IT DOES :P
I mean, it's not even like FYE was going to be the featured song he would have done! He was going to do Whataya Want From Me, which is SUPER tame and beautiful! I think he was going to do 3 songs, so it's possible he still would have done FYE as well, but there's no reason to assume he wouldn't have toned it way down accordingly.
EXACTLY. Anyone who has followed him at all knows that he can be the epitome of charming when it's called for. He knows full well when it's time to turn off the sex and turn up the charm, and there's no reason to start not trusting him now just because he may have gotten a little carried away with ONE late night, risque-awards-show-to-begin-with performance.
Not gonna lie though, it's going to make me really happy seeing him do the Early Show and knowing the ABC people are probably going to be like "...but...but.. this isn't vulgar at all and he seems really sweet! This just makes us look bad for not letting him do it!" DAMN STRAIGHT IT DOES :P
I mean, it's not even like FYE was going to be the featured song he would have done! He was going to do Whataya Want From Me, which is SUPER tame and beautiful! I think he was going to do 3 songs, so it's possible he still would have done FYE as well, but there's no reason to assume he wouldn't have toned it way down accordingly.
I don't need a life that's normal. That's way too far away. But something next to normal would be okay. Something next to normal is what I'd like to try. Close enough to normal to get by.
#72
Posted: 11/24/09 at 2:46pm
I hope he's on with Kathie Lee and Hoda! That will certainly be "for my entertainment!" 
Actually, the first time I ever saw/heard Lady Gaga was in the early days of Kathie Lee and Hoda. She came off totally down-to-earth, almost drab compared to those two nutcases.
Don't forget, Steve chose Kathie Lee for PUTTING IT TOGETHER! AND he got her to say "f*ck" to boot!
I wanna see Adam and Kathie Lee duet on some turgid, vaguely religious adult contemporary pop ballad written by David Friedman (with lyrics by K.L.G).
P
Actually, the first time I ever saw/heard Lady Gaga was in the early days of Kathie Lee and Hoda. She came off totally down-to-earth, almost drab compared to those two nutcases.
Don't forget, Steve chose Kathie Lee for PUTTING IT TOGETHER! AND he got her to say "f*ck" to boot!
I wanna see Adam and Kathie Lee duet on some turgid, vaguely religious adult contemporary pop ballad written by David Friedman (with lyrics by K.L.G).
P
#73
Posted: 11/24/09 at 2:47pm
I wonder how many calls ABC got just for that awful performance, kiss aside. I just watched the number in question and I'm not surprised there is so much buzz about the sexy-whateverness there was going on onstage as there was really nothing else about the song or the performance interesting to talk about. Except the body roll. Wow. I guess he had to do something besides his vocal histrionics to keep people awake. Boring song, flat vocals, self-indulgent screeching that didn't really seem to connect with anything else musically in the song, boring choreography. Now, I can see why people LOVE even the most pedestrian performances by Gaga because the music is produced with layers of club tracks that dresses it up a bit and Gaga has built a reputation on her club persona honestly and wholeheartedly. But I am totally flummoxed how anyone could say anything positive about that Lambert number. It was worse than just "calculated". You could practically hear the slapping of beads across the abacus. The only thing missing was a "wardrobe malfunction".
I don't mind people liking Adam Lambert, but please don't tell me you liked that performance. I just don't want to know.
I don't mind people liking Adam Lambert, but please don't tell me you liked that performance. I just don't want to know.
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#74
Posted: 11/24/09 at 3:07pm
Looks like he'll be on CBS the morning of 11/25.
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#75
Posted: 11/24/09 at 5:30pm
I guess the difference for me with this fiasco and a wild performance by Madonna, Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson or whoever is that they established themselves as artists first. Adam hasn't. This was his first really major appearance outside of a talent show where he really did tweaked covers. You have to earn the crotch grab. He's probably the most artistic performer to come from AI. This performance made me wonder what it was that I liked about him. I don't think he's going to come out on top of this because there wasn't any art to justify the trash.
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