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Crash's Upset
#100re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:03am
"Sorry, JRB, but I am not grasping. Having your emotional buttons pushed is not the same as having your intellect stirred or being honestly emotionally moved. My experience of CRASH was that it was cheaply manipulative. Obviously yours was different, and I won't question that..."
And yet you did. Who are you to say that Crash didn't affect people intellectually? Who are you to say that one film's emotional stirring was inherently more valid than the other?
And, honey, we can pull out reviews on both sides of the fence. That means schmeh to me.
#101re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:03am
"It [Crash] is, in some ways, a feel-good film about racism, a film you could see and feel like a better person, a film that could make you believe that you had done your moral duty and examined your soul when in fact you were just getting your buttons pushed and your preconceptions reconfirmed."
And Brokeback did what?
Stand-by Joined: 12/31/69
#102re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:06am
"You're talking like it was a whole big scheme. It wasn't a group of people sitting at a table saying "Hmmm! How can we award the 'gay' movie the least amount of awards possible while not looking suspicious?" It was votes cast from many different types of people."
No - I never suggested 5000 people sat at a table and all decided how to vote - you read into that. No matter the many different types of people who vote, by the time the nominations were announced there was a consenses that Ang Lee had done the best directing job of the year - he won everything, so for academy members to then decide to vote for Paul Haggis (on his 1st film ever) would be a slap. Remember also that Lee was snubbed for Sense and Sensibility and did not win for Crouching Tiger, so it was his "time." Similarly, McMurtery and Ossama had won everything and had less competition in the divided screenplay categories, where consolation prizes are always given.
#103re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:08amSo why doesn't your logic about Best Director apply to Best Picture?
#104re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:08am
BROKEBACK also won every major "best picture" award as well, so your theory doesn't hold up.
You are a joke. Go away.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
#105re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:09am
"No - I never suggested 5000 people sat at a table and all decided how to vote - you read into that. No matter the many different types of people who vote, by the time the nominations were announced there was a consenses that Ang Lee had done the best directing job of the year - he won everything, so for academy members to then decide to vote for Paul Haggis (on his 1st film ever) would be a slap. Remember also that Lee was snubbed for Sense and Sensibility and did not win for Crouching Tiger, so it was his "time." Similarly, McMurtery and Ossama had won everything and had less competition in the divided screenplay categories, where consolation prizes are always given."
But Ang Lee DID win! He DID do, according to them, the best directing job! Perhaps Brokeback just wasn't the best movie! Aren't movies primarily about entertainment? Maybe Brokeback just didn't entertain the majority of the voters as much as Crash did!
Updated On: 3/7/06 at 01:09 AM
#106re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:13amMaybe some people in the Academy don't like sheep and that's why they didn't vote for BBM.
#107re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:15amMICHAEL BENNETT YOU RULE HAHAHAHA
::bust a move::
#108re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:15am
"Maybe some people in the Academy don't like sheep and that's why they didn't vote for BBM."
Or maybe they have a grudge against cowboys in general.
Stand-by Joined: 12/31/69
#109re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:15am
JRB - well, it certainly didn't affect me intellectually (I never said "people" - I thought is was horse doo doo - worst best pic in a long time. I also think you should bring the "honey's" in.
And Munkstrap - reign in the insults - I think this gem is the stupidest thing ever written on these boards:
"Unfortunately, some people always want to be victimized. If BROKEBACK had won best picture, they would be complaining that the acceptance speech was too short, or something absurd."
It's easy to dismiss people's opinions and feeling with snap judgements, but it seems to me that you add nothing to the discourse on these boards.
#110re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:16am
na, munk was dead on with everything he said
but again, what do i know
::bust a move::
#111re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:19am
Ok, "honey":
Roger Ebert, May 5, 2005
"The result is a movie of intense fascination; we understand quickly enough who the characters are and what their lives are like, but we have no idea how they will behave, because so much depends on accident. Most movies enact rituals; we know the form and watch for variations. "Crash" is a movie with free will, and anything can happen. Because we care about the characters, the movie is uncanny in its ability to rope us in and get us involved."
Not many films have the possibility of making their audiences better people. I don't expect "Crash" to work any miracles, but I believe anyone seeing it is likely to be moved to have a little more sympathy for people not like themselves. The movie contains hurt, coldness and cruelty, but is it without hope? Not at all. Stand back and consider. All of these people, superficially so different, share the city and learn that they share similar fears and hopes. Until several hundred years ago, most people everywhere on earth never saw anybody who didn't look like them. They were not racist because, as far as they knew, there was only one race. You may have to look hard to see it, but "Crash" is a film about progress. "
full review
#112re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:20am
"Unfortunately, some people always want to be victimized. If BROKEBACK had won best picture, they would be complaining that the acceptance speech was too short, or something absurd."
It's easy to dismiss people's opinions and feeling with snap judgements, but it seems to me that you add nothing to the discourse on these boards."
BUT IT'S TRRUUUUUUUEE!!!!!
NO ONE is trying to tell you that homophobia and anti-gay is right! No one is against you! You're probably a nice person! It's just that you are taking this too far!
Kringas
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/27/05
#113re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:20am
"Unfortunately, some people always want to be victimized. If BROKEBACK had won best picture, they would be complaining that the acceptance speech was too short, or something absurd."
I don't often agree with munk, but I gotta give up some no strings props for this one. I was actually surprised that there wasn't more bitching about the speeches from those who did win for Brokeback. Nothing can ever be good enough when a movie incites such hysteria on all sides.
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
#114re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:22amOn BOTH sides of the debate...
#115re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:24am
"Munk, you do this board no favors to continue to throw out insults. You have nothing to add, so you just call other people names and dismiss things you can't deal with. Can you discuss anything without reverting to childishness?"
Kay.
What?
I just...don't have anything to say to that...
*kills self*
#116re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:24am
"Can you discuss anything without reverting to childishness?"
speak for yourself. i backed myself up but apparently, in your words, i was "very naive" and have to "teach myself" before i post.
::bust a move::
#117re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:26am
I think you either believe the Academy Awards represent a valid comment on films or you don't. I believe you can be someone who is the former and still not agree with them or be disappointed with them.
So, what I am saying is--you either believe the Academy is valid and will come to accept in some way the validity of Crash winning OR you don't believe the Academy is valid, so why did you place so much value on their giving the award to Brokeback in the first place?
#118re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:27am
Pseudololus - looking at the entries in your blog, I could have guessed you would have been a "BBM homophobia conspiracy" advocate sight unseen. My feeling is that you are probably the one here unable to entertain a two sided civil debate on the issue.
Updated On: 3/7/06 at 01:27 AM
#119re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:28am
You never answered my question. I don't believe I'm being childish at all.
What if GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK had won over CRASH and BROKEBACK? Would the Academy be both racist and homophobic? Or would that be fine, since GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK is more political than just social?
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
#120re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:34am
again, just an awards show. no need to overreact.
awards show.
just an awards show.
settled now?
::bust a move::
Kringas
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/27/05
#121re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:37am
Back to the actual article...
First and foremost, I don't care how "passionate" one gets about the arts, the author of said article really ought to consider seeing a therapist. Suddenly a foul spirit swept through the room leaving the collected revelers slack-jawed, nauseous, and with the wind completely knocked out of them. Jeesh. I'd hate to see this guy in an actual grave situation, such as dying of cancer. Seriously, if anyone reading this had that reaction, find a professional to talk to. Soon.
I don't get the whole either you agree with me or you won't even listen to me argument. I don't agree with him, but I'm reading his argument very carefully. And I fear for him a little bit.
I am suddenly reminded of childhood's "smear the queer" games and high school bullying. See, here's something he could tell Dr. Joyce Brothers.
Author: Dazed... Betrayed...
Kringas: Cringing ... Freaked out ... Feeling pity ...
Even for those of you who do think something sinister is at work with the loss, how can you get on board with this guy? I'd call him insane but then we'd get some flowery prose like, "And then I went to a message board, and someone called me insane. I couldn't breathe. I wanted my mommy, but my mommy never loved me..."
I can't even go on. Every time I go back to that article, my mind begins to numb and I feel like the author must feel. Maybe that was his game all along.
I agree. For him, it's not just a movie. It's a cross to nail himself upon.
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
Updated On: 3/7/06 at 01:37 AM
#122re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:39amPerfectly said!
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
#123re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:43amWow, Kringas - that was great. You should definitely save that for your archives.
Kringas
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/27/05
#124re: I'm Sorry to Do This, Really, But I Think This is So Well-Written and H
Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:47am
From a comment on this article, found on the author's blog:
"I was happy that Nicholson, who's always seemed like a "good guy" to me, mouthed "wow" is shock after reading the name "Crash." I heard that he's said he voted for "Brokeback" and I can believe it."
See, when I saw Nicholson mouth "wow," I thought it was because he was surprised, just like a lot of us. I didn't think it should have won, but I sure as hell thought it was going to win. I thought the hype was too strong.
I mean, "I heard that he's said he voted for "Brokeback" and I can believe it." That's just ... wow. By that line of thinking, I choose to believe that Steve Carell wearing those eyelashes was his way of telling me that I am right to love him, and that he's going to be my man some day soon.
Edit: And thank you, munk and Michael Bennett.
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
Updated On: 3/7/06 at 01:47 AM
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