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#51

re: MAD MEN

iflit, I totally agree...

I want this to be great! I want to love it! Let's hope...
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
#52

re: MAD MEN

Hmmm. The Olympics or Mad Men..The Olympics or Mad Men..I hate these decisions!
#53

re: MAD MEN

Very disappointing episode last night. Seems superficial at the moment, and the Don infidelity response is getting repetitive.
#54

re: MAD MEN

Don's wife is turning into a little vixen
I'd fire you... if you weren't so g*dd*mn beautiful out there. - Blades of Glory blog
#55

re: MAD MEN

They have lost me... I opted for the Olympics last Sunday.

Perhaps I'll catch up when the season repeats, but I'm sorry to say the last episodes have been disappointing to me.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
#56

re: MAD MEN

you can watch online at amctv.com
I'd fire you... if you weren't so g*dd*mn beautiful out there. - Blades of Glory blog
#57

re: MAD MEN

I'm in the minority here, but I have not been let down by this season. If anything, I'm hanging on every scene, because the show refuses to play by the traditional rules of soap plotting. Threads are dropped, not picked up for 2 episodes (the Sopranos, of course, excelled at this fresh spin on serialized storytelling).

I'm not terribly interested in the scenes on horseback -- that arena feels a bit one-note -- but otherwise, I've found it riveting. The plane crash and the multi-focus payoff, the agency and revelation of motivation in a major character's backstory -- was masterful.

And this week, the use of the acid-tongued Don Rickles comedian and his wife as a one-two punch in Don's world was equally original. We keep seeing Don put out a fresh fire, giving us new explorations of his moral compass (or lack thereof). When he came home and washed his mouth out with Lux soap -- only MADMEN would find such a moment!

Structurally, it's challenging; this show is not going to move in ways that accommodate our comfort zones, as an audience. The traditional make 'em laugh, make 'em cry, make 'em wait soap methods have been put in the bottom drawer. I've learned not to expect episode cliffhangers and week-later direct pick ups of story points, and instead to just hang on. The show approaches its characters as a mosaic, moving in close on one set one moment, then abandoning them altogether at others to find counterpoint (which is why I'm trying to be patient with the riding sequences...)

I agree with Iflit, that there is a considerable amount of set-up at work. But we already see the cracks forming in the world of the office, and just watching a character figure out a raise request has real emotional weight. You always feel the stakes, the sense of consequences from the smallest incident. That's still part of the appeal, the story blossoming in mundane details.

"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling

Updated On: 8/12/08 at 04:09 PM

#58

re: MAD MEN

I like the riding scenes cuz they are EXTREMELY EXTREMELY typical of my memories of that era. With female sports scholarships still unheard of (for the most part), every upper middle class mortgaged-to-the-hilt family I knew was trying to get their daughters on the USET to land a gentrified husband. I cried buckets that my parents cared NOTHING about riding lessons for me, putting me in ballet instead.
I'd fire you... if you weren't so g*dd*mn beautiful out there. - Blades of Glory blog
#59

re: MAD MEN

Auggie, you've convinced me to stick with it. Thanks!
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
#60

re: MAD MEN

I hadn't even considered how equestrian activities were pre-feminist. Interesting. Now I'll have to reconsider. Don's wife is still enigmatic to me -- remember the episode where she went outside with a rifle at the end? What's intriguing is the ways their marriage actually works; at times, on its own terms, they both seem to get what they expect from it, if not life in general.

Mygal, I understand the frustrations in trying to stay invested in the style of this show. Most of us, me included, have a natural desire for more linear storytelling, which is why I had problems early on with SIX FEET UNDER, when everyone was raving. It's very subjective, one show makes us more comfortable with bent rules of dramaturgy than others.

Sometimes, it's the feel of a show. The advertising milieu of MAD MEN sometimes interests me less than its era. It's a favorite of mine, in films of the period (silly and serious, BEST OF EVERYTHING, MAN IN THE GREY FLANNEL SUIT, and Sirk melodramas), or in films that capture it (FAR FROM HEAVEN, speaking of Sirk, which still surfaces whenever I see the scenes of suburban domesticity on MM). The late 50's/early 60s is a golden, troubled era and I love to go full-tilt immersion in it at times.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#61

re: MAD MEN

Auggie, Hunt seat riding events are the only ones where males/females have always competed on equal ground against each other, both riders and the horses.
I'd fire you... if you weren't so g*dd*mn beautiful out there. - Blades of Glory blog
#62

re: MAD MEN

So it's actually a brilliant idea for an area to showcase Mrs. Draper. Thanks, this does make a difference.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#63

re: MAD MEN

Don't get me wrong - I love this show and will definitely stick with it. It's just that this week's episode seemed a little flat (other than accidently opening the pay envelope!).
#64

re: MAD MEN

It had a different feel than the first two episodes. I feel like something big is about to happen. So much has been set up, I can't even imagine what's going to explode first.
Sueleen Gay: "Here you go, Bitch, now go make some fukcing lemonade." 10/28/10
#65

re: MAD MEN

Wow,Auggie. Well said! I have always liked the pace of this show. I was about to write more but it would be redundant and not as well stated as your post! I just love this show. Everything about it.
#66

re: MAD MEN

I agree something is building and I think it is gonna explode soon...the preview for next week looks like some big things are going down.

I also loved how after Don "man handled" the "manager" at dinner he went back to the table and wiped his hand excessively with his napkin. Also did you notice how Duck asked Sal how he was doing and Sal gave him a very weird look when he said "Fine"....something is up there as well...also now we know Sal is married. I also loved how they showed Harry at home with his wife, I did miss Pete in this episode. Also interesting that Joan is filling in as Don's secretary....

I still find this show interesting and can't wait to see what happens next...I just find all the characters fasinating
"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life. Define yourself"
#67

re: MAD MEN

violet, that wasn't Duck. That was the representative for Belle Jolie Lipsticks. He propositioned Sal two years ago (remember that restaurant scene? It was so intelligently and beautifully played). I love Salvatore and I can't wait to see how his story unfolds. I suspect he'll remain closeted.
#68

re: MAD MEN

woops..my bad blue...I also love Salvatore as well...I felt bad for Peggy having to be in the room during the tv show
"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life. Define yourself"
#69

re: MAD MEN

Having touted the show's avoidance of traditional soap opera techniques, I do admire...

SPOILER!

..the classic decision to have Peggy's family take the baby. There were two options during the era (3, if you count illegal abortion), adoption or a family pretending. I knew two cases where someone later found out an older "sister" was actually a mother. Keeping Pete's baby on the canvas is a traditional soap plotting mechenism to allow emotional suspense. Had the baby been adopted, we'd lose the ticking bomb. And they handled it very cleverly, getting as much mileage out of the reveal as they could.

Peggy is one of the most compelling characters on the show, because she's driven by ambitions and yet not classically a "driven" young woman. She fascinates.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#70

re: MAD MEN

Terrific character. Lots of potential there.

I loved the glimpse of Peggy at home and I can't wait to find out exactly what happened in that two month interim--particularly how she was able to take time off from work/how it was explained/how she kept her position.

"There were two options during the era (3, if you count illegal abortion), adoption or a family pretending."

Auggie, I think that seeing the clip of that Defenders episode must have been very trying for Peggy. She was in complete psychological denial about the pregnancy, though, so illegal or not, it's not like it really could have been an option. Just a guess...she wanted nothing to do with the baby and would have chosen adoption once she had no choice but to face it (when actually in labor). Apparently, from the little snippets we've been shown (her sister saying that the state of New York said she apparently was incapable of making her own decisions), the hospital contacted her family, who wouldn't hear of adoption and had her declared incompetent. Poor Peggy. She didn't even want to look at that child--much less hold him on her lap--when her family was taking communion. It must be torture. If she could have, she'd have signed away that child on the spot and never mentioned a word to her family.
#71

re: MAD MEN

Very perceptive take on Peggy's plight. The character's stunted emotions are so beautifully played, it's hard to imagine another actress in the role. She was overlooked at Emmy time alas, and should've been nominated. Cannot wait to see where this all goes in the weeks ahead.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#72

re: MAD MEN

The actress who plays Peggy's sister also portays Pam on Big Love (another favorite)--the Henricksons' infertile Mormon neighbor who asked Margene to be her surrogate!

Updated On: 8/13/08 at 04:34 PM

#73

re: MAD MEN

they explained Peggy's absence saying she'd been to a "fat farm".
I'd fire you... if you weren't so g*dd*mn beautiful out there. - Blades of Glory blog
#74

re: MAD MEN

Funny that the one who said that was Pete. If he only knew!
#75

re: MAD MEN

seems like they also really "fuglied up" Peggy at first, with the dirty looking hair, bad make up, unattractive clothes. Now they are doing the "swan" number on her.
I'd fire you... if you weren't so g*dd*mn beautiful out there. - Blades of Glory blog

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