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#76

re: MAD MEN

SPOILER (kind of)

Could Peggy really have failed to notice she was pregnant? Did she get the birth control pill prescription and not fill it? Will people think it is Don's baby?
#77

re: MAD MEN

She was given a perscription for the pill on her first day of work...she also slept with Pete that night and the pill usually takes a month or two to really kick in...

I think Paul believes that she had an affair with Don because in the second episode he kissed her and she rejected him and he replied, there's someone else, jeez I don't even like to sit in Draper's chair, so I think some people in the office believe she slept her way into her new job

I love the Don and Peggy relationship, it is almost like a father/daughter relationship. I think he knows about her baby and helped cover for her
"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life. Define yourself"
#78

re: MAD MEN

Just ordered a Sterling Cooper tote bag - I am well and truly hooked!
#79

re: MAD MEN

ooh! Where did you see that, keen? Are there Sterling Cooper T's?

Updated On: 8/14/08 at 10:28 PM

#80

re: MAD MEN

www.cafepress.com, and enter mad men. They also have tees and coffee cups. Or www.amctv.com.

Updated On: 8/14/08 at 11:21 PM

#81

re: MAD MEN

My God. Peggy's sister is such a bitch.
#82

re: MAD MEN

And I'm not so sure it wasn't inappropriate for the young priest to mention the "little one"...although it was ambiguous.
Sueleen Gay: "Here you go, Bitch, now go make some fukcing lemonade." 10/28/10
#83

re: MAD MEN

Last night's episode seemed more on the high level of the first season to me. And I think the reference to the "little one" was a subtle way for the priest to let Peggy know that he knew something. I don't see it as a breach of the confessional privilege as he is not revealing how he knows or how her sister is feeling.
#84

re: MAD MEN

I agree, a stunning episode. So full of surprises -- the Draper children were fascinating, from the Mommie Dearest/Patrick Dennis cocktail prep to the visit to the office. And the little boy's relationship with his dad was startling. The children are barely on Don's radar. This was a 'yin' episode -- very domestic and home-centric as a context for revelation. But the...

SPOILER

...loss of the American account is a harbinger of things to come. This is the beginning of the end for this agency, or the beginning of a slow slide that will define the decade. I thought the American account plot point was reminiscent of the larger turns of storn on SOPRANOS.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#85

re: MAD MEN

OK, I'm sorry for my confusion.. but can someone explain Peggy's family to me? Her sister looks the same age as her mom so that took me a while. The baby in the family is Peggys, right? And the baby lives with who? And how do they explain the baby? And the man on the couch.. was that Peggy's brother in law? WTF am I a complete idiot? .....blueroses?? ..anyone?
#86

re: MAD MEN

Peggy’s sister, Anita, looks to be at least ten years older than Peggy (Peggy is supposed to be in her early twenties). Actually, Anita looks MUCH older than that, but women did back then with the heavy makeup and severe hair (plus, Peggy still dresses like a teenager, with the full skirts and ponytails).

Yes, the baby is Peggy’s and he lives with, and is being cared for by, her sister and brother-in-law (the guy on the couch). We don’t know how they explain the baby to others (their neighbors, fellow churchgoers, etc.) exactly, but apparently it was a common thing for young, unwed girls to have their illegitimate kids raised by older siblings or their own parents. They could have explained the new baby as an adoption (which it was) without identifying Peggy as the mother (no one in the congregation knew she was pregnant anyway). My guess is that Peggy wanted to place the child up for adoption but that her family interfered, had the state step in to declare her incompetent, and adopted the baby because they thought it was the right thing to do.

We don't know if Pete knows...I don't think he does. I think Anita telling the priest that her sister "seduced a married man" was just her way of trying to make Peggy look bad. I doubt Peggy would have ever told her family exactly who the baby's father was.

Updated On: 8/19/08 at 03:14 PM

#87

re: MAD MEN

blueroses, you are the best! Thanks. However, I think it is a hole in the writing not to explain how this baby just shows up in the family. In 1960 you would think the church would be all a buzz about it. There would be more of a stigma, right? I don't know, I'm just confused with the easy transition.

btw, just as you said that it was common in those days... Jack Nicholson was raised by his mother and sister, but he later found out his sister was his mother and his mother was his Grandma.
#88

re: MAD MEN

I don't think it's a hole in the writing as much as it is an intentionally fragmented unfolding of the story. When you think about it, given the structure of the show where Season Two is TWO years later, there is a lot we don't know about what has happened in the lives of various characters. For that matter, it may not be integral to the story line to spell out the details of how the family explained the baby. I suspect it will come out as Peggy's storyline is showcased, but who knows.

All I know is that it has been a while since there was a program I looked forward to watching this much. It's a gift!
Sueleen Gay: "Here you go, Bitch, now go make some fukcing lemonade." 10/28/10
#89

re: MAD MEN

I don't know if they still exist, but there were lots of "Catholic only" adoption agencies then - all of my adopted friends (bunches of them) were catholic, as were their bros and sis's, it was something their church encouraged. People would give up their babies to those agencies specifying the child must go into a devout catholic family.

I don't think the priest would question it at all. One friend's family adopted another child every 3 yrs.
I'd fire you... if you weren't so g*dd*mn beautiful out there. - Blades of Glory blog
#90

re: MAD MEN

The thing is, Chev, Peggy didn't really get to make the choice. The decision was made for her.

I do think her family felt that they were doing what was best for her. I love the Olson family scenes...I think that's why I enjoyed Sunday night's episode so much more than the past two weeks. Even though Anita was a bitch, I still like her character. The mother was hilarious--instructing the young Father to deliver a "real" blessing. She's a tough cookie, but I love seeing the soft spot she has for Peggy--calling her "Peaches," constantly saying she's such a beautiful young girl--even displaying pride in Peggy's accomplishments as a career gal and bragging to the priest. Sure, she probably wants to see her married and settled, but I think she genuinely is proud of her. You can see how it's driving Anita nuts! The actress who plays Mrs. Olson is terrific. Even though she's a traditional Catholic mother, she's not playing the part stereotypically. I could watch the Olson family dynamics for hours.

I enjoy little Sally and Bobby (did that little boy just break your heart with the 'We have to get you a new Daddy' line?) but I'm not particularly interested in Betty Draper and her child-woman vibe and her afternoons in the stable. I prefer it when they focus on the Sterling Cooper employees...Peggy, Pete, Joan, Don, Roger, Sal...even nebbishy Harry and his wife Jennifer!

Updated On: 8/19/08 at 11:15 PM

#91

re: MAD MEN

I thought Betty had a better storyline last season, when was coming unglued and wound up in the care of a psychiatrist. I really like January Jones in the role, and I'd like to see her doing something more interesting than they have her doing this season.

I also thought it was sweet when what's his names wife gently convinced what's her name to go for a bigger wedding.
#92

re: MAD MEN

Heh heh. Yeah, Mona spoke so dreamily about being a pretty young bride, gliding around the dance floor in Roger's arms. She clearly loves him. Then he goes and bangs the call girl!

#93

re: MAD MEN

I was away sunday and couldn't watch the episode and I just watched it...I loved how the whole thing with Peggy and the priest...also the focus on the draper kids....did you all know the actress who plays Mona is really married to John Slattery (Sterling)

Anyway I think Betty's storyline was stronger last year...and in the beginning of the season I thought Betty was being a bitch to the little boy, but this week when she said that she was with them all day and was always the bad guy, I had to somewhat agree with her there, although I think that her own mother treated her that way. The pushing match between her and Don was intense...and also at the end when he told her about being beaten by his father and she didn't know...it breaks your heart that she doesn't truely know her husband...also when the little boy said they had to get him a new daddy, I just wanted to hug him....good episode, can't wait for Sunday
"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life. Define yourself"
#94

re: MAD MEN

LOVE this show, and wish there was this kind of writing on Bway. Subtle, sublime, all subtext, evocative! It's the antidote to "in your face" immediacy.
Soap opera-ish without the suds. The opening credits are Classic already, and the use of music-- sensational!

Updated On: 8/22/08 at 10:58 PM

#95

re: MAD MEN

SPOILER from tonight's episode






Did anyone else hear Peggy say "I just put $50 in the tank..." Not in 1962!

I don't like Barrett's wife- kind of sorry to see she is a continuing character.

#96

re: MAD MEN

Keen, she said she put two dollars in the tank.
I am not sure if I want to sleep with Joan, marry her or be her, but I am in LOVE with that woman.

Tonight's episode is the best of the season so far. Does anyone else see Peggy turning into the Maryanne Singleton of Sterling Cooper?
PEACE.
#97

re: MAD MEN

Unbelievable episode! I watched it twice, back to back.
#98

re: MAD MEN

Peggy's sister was very pregnant when visiting Peggy in the hospital. I'm sure it's a clue as to how Peggy's child is absorbed into the household.

I also loved Don's visit to Peggy in St. Mary's. It was short, but explained volumes.
Sueleen Gay: "Here you go, Bitch, now go make some fukcing lemonade." 10/28/10
#99

re: MAD MEN

Anyone else love the fact that Peggy called him Don, when asking to be repaid?
"All I ask of you is one thing: please don't be cynical. I hate cynicism -- it's my least favorite quality and it doesn't lead anywhere. Nobody in life gets exactly what they thought they were going to get. But if you work really hard and you're kind, amazing things will happen." Conan O'Brien
#100

re: MAD MEN

Yes, mominator. She was clearly taking Bobbie's advice to heart. I loved when she told her that she made HERSELF a copywriter. Peggy is loyal to Don and for good reason, but I like that someone took the time to notice (and point out to her) that her accomplishment was earned--it wasn't just handed to her.

Also, I didn't know they had fertility treatment in the sixties!

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