Madonna's MDNA Album & Singles Chat — Page 2

Well someones liking it as its in the 40s (up from 700) on Itunes and so far has no air play, no promo and no video. Clubs are playing the track as well

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The hype alternates but never changes, it's just people's memories are so terrible they don't remember where they've heard it all before. "This one's classic Madonna.". "This one's Madonna back to basics on the dancefloor!" "This one's just FUN, and isn't that what we need from Madonna right now?"

Repeat. Repeat again.

I don't know how releasing a video, doing the Super Bowl, and paying off Clear Channel to play "Gimmee" once an hour every day can be said to be Madonna "doing nothing" to promote it.

What Madonna needed at this stage in her career is a "Wind Beneath My Wings," but despite the hype for being such a smart bizness lady, she's too dumb to know.

WHAT NAMO SAID....

Oh lord come off your high horse for a second Namo. As hard as it is for you to believe, some people actually like the song. I hated the first single and like this one. I'm not convincing myself of anything. It's fun to dance to, or clean the apartment to (which is more my reality these days). And to be honest, I've never expected much more than that from a Madonna song.
For Namo

Namo please dont tell me how i feel and what i like.
I love going clubbing and would love to be out dancing to that song, if her intention was to make people want to get up and dance then job done.

As for the 'collapse' of GMAYL, It still went top 10 for her so cant be seen as that much of a let down, though i agree it was not the best song.

Madonna is going to do what she wants to do, she clearly wants to make a record that people can dance too, great, i for one am up for that, some people may not be. Does the woman have to produce something each time that people say 'wow she has really reinvented her stye' (ala Ray of Light)? No, does she hell, after 30 years i think she has earned the right to produce music that she just wants to have fun with, people will either follow her or they wont. However Namo if you do not like a song it does not mean the general population of.....the world have to agree with you, i know that pains you luv lol.

Also i heard 3 tracks from the album today thanks to a journalist friend, 1 was good, 2 of them blew me away (Gang Bang is incredible, crazy, psychotic)

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The problem is that her current dance music, and recent dance music is even weaker than the age discussion. Imagine if Madonna really would do what sanddm2 said: just do what she wants. She certainly can afford to do whatever the hell she wants and maybe come up with something, you know, good (doesn't have to be groundbreaking but it could be good!). Instead we get these over-thought leaden stinkers.

For as talentless and dumb as I think Britney Spears is in actuality (and I believe she contributes about 15% of the work to the creations constructed and released under her name), the results actually DO sound good when blasted over club speakers and the kids FLOCK to the floor when her music comes on.

I wasn't telling you what you like or how you feel, sanddm2. I said I understood why you bring the conversation to how many units Madonna has shifted because that's really all that's left to say. We're certainly not going to talk about the lyrics or melody.

And again, I would ask you how much these charts and number 10s (really! did you ever think it would come to cheering a peak of number 10????) mean when they plummet like a sky diver with a failed parachute the very next week? Especially after all the promotion and payola that went into making "Gimme" a hit?? I do like how you've changed your tune on that song so quickly. Now it's "not the best." Also, I recall your enthusiasm over "Hard Candy" at the time. I realize now you say you don't like the album. So, with hindsight, I guarantee you will come to realize how terrible this new stuff is.

I followed a link that took me to a one minute sample of "I'm Addicted" on Perez Hilton's site today. Hor. Ri. Ble. Really, a disaster. Somebody should make the poor woman a "Madonna: It Doesn't Get Better" video post-haste.

As for the clubs, well, I spent seven months from June through December doing a job in an assortment of gay dance clubs and none, I mean NONE, of them played any Madonna at all. The baby gays and the many gals of all shapes and sizes who love them could not be any less interested. Hell, even Gaga only got played once a night during this time period.

I spent last week in a warm weather resort town popular with eldergays (from your age all the way up to mine and well beyond, sanddm2) whom one would think to be the last bastion of the Madonna demographic. I spent time in four places that had dance music soundtracks going and I heard Madonna exactly once. It was "Where's the Party?" in a retro DJ set. I will give the old has-been credit, it sounded GREAT. It was a toss off song that accomplished all the things the die-hards try to convince themselves her recent lugubrious output has: effervescence, joie de vivre, a melody, a hook. Those days appear over. She seems incapable of getting people to build something half as exciting on the dancefloor as a number phoned in by Britney Spears.

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Updated On: 3/7/12 at 10:46 PM

I'm feeling vindicated by the reports that she's trashing Guy Ritchie on a couple of the tracks on the new album. How he squelched her. Made her "swallow my light." (Probably the only thing she swallowed in that marriage.)

This of course flies right in the face of the legend of the strong business woman who won't be told what to do, and completely validates those of us who felt she lost the plot once she married him, ditched the gays, became a veddy proper childrens authoress, and her music started to suck ass. Of course, when we said so then, she let us know in her unmusical way she'd "heard it all before, heard it all before, heard it all before." (That was for you, Jerb.)

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No, I feel that after years of going on in interviews about how independent she is and how she does things her way, turns out, she DID "swallow her light" for a man. It parallels exactly the time frame she stopped doing interesting and creative things.

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Thank you. You lead me to the point I think I have been aiming for. Madonna is neither a singles nor an album artist anymore. She is a legacy artist. They use that term now for people like The Stones and Springsteen, selling out stadia on the strength of their catalogues. I used to be bored with the very notion of legacy artists, trotting out the hits every summer, with most of them never bothering to record anything new because their audiences only wanted to hear the hits.

That's the place where Madonna is in her career. (Remember Liz Rosenberg assuring fans the Reinvention Tour was going to have "all the hits you remember?", that was the moment it officially happened.)

However, The Stones and Bruce actually DO record new things even though they don't have to anymore. They hardly sell, but I buy them, and I have to say I am always delighted that not only do they bother, but they put some heart into it. Especially in the case of the Stones, almost nobody buys the new stuff. And you've got Bruce with his ever deepening Burl Ives crazy old man voice and the whomping stomp of the E Street Band behind him on the album that just came out yesterday. It's kind of nutty and surprising in ways we have no reason to expect from legacy acts.

THAT'S why Madonna is such a crushing disappointment. She stopped really trying. Plays it safe and uninteresting. She can't even phone it in to producers who could turn it into shiny silk dancefloor purses like Britney's handlers do.

And finally, the point I made about my recent frequent dancefloor exposure was to say that if you really want to shake your butt to MDNA stuff, this is probably not the country the music will be getting any such exposure in. Not even the gay clubs.

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Don't you wish she *would* do something insane like that, though?

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But they will also precipitously drop in the second week, and mostly vanish by the third. Which is also the curse of (most) legacy artists.

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The UK critics are LOVING the album upon first listen: They were all invited to a listening party at abbey road studios yesterday.
Check it out:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/going-out/music/mdna-review-madonnas-new-album-754626

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopmusic/9127093/Madonnas-new-album-MDNA-track-by-track-review.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/first-listen-madonna-mdna-interscope-7544751.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/mar/07/first-listen-madonna-mdna?newsfeed=true


AND you MUST WATCH this fan-made video and album remix. It has 60,000 views in just 5 days.
It is HIGHLY incredible and gives incredible justice to the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1LKkVaDGN4

Updated On: 3/7/12 at 07:38 PM

I do think the term Legacy artist is fitting ofr Madonna. Part of it is unavoidable--when you're that "old" and been around that long, it's just how the market classifies you. And while I liked parts of Hard Candy, I thought it was the first time she fully played it safe (using producers who were already past their prime in the US for example), though I think that's still not fair. Even the Reinvention Tour was somewhat sneaky on her part--they sold it, after the lackluster American life reception, as a Greatest Hits tour, but it barely was compared to any of her past tours, it still was nearly half American Life material.

WHen I've gone to her tour, I've seen middle aged people who don't know her stuff disappointed that she doesn't just do her hits (the way the way the Rolling Stones largely do).

And actually I would classify her still as an album artist--she sells better than the Stones album wise. But, in the US particularly, it is true that, excepting usually doing decently with the lead single, her singles are DOA. I think that would largely happen regardless of what she released...