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Reginald Tresilian (quote needed for context):
"But sense you ask, here you go: When you first joined, I tried to be civilized, to take you at face value and interact with you as I would with anyone else. But as our PMs reveal, from the beginning you have deliberately misstated other people's remarks and put words--ugly, incorrect words--in other people's mouths. When I tried over and over to point that out to you, as others have done here, you seemed not to care.

So I'm forced to conclude that either you are incapable of seeing the difference between the statements of others and what you attribute to them, or you do it on purpose."
(R.I.P Margaret Thatcher, 4/9/13, 2:28PM)

suestorm (in response):
no, i didnt ask, and i dont care so there you go.
(R.I.P Margaret Thatcher, 4/9/13, 2:50pm)

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Joe I already said it a few times now I was wrong about the number of pages. You're really being nitpicky. I don't know what you want me to do now. Wash your feet? Which is ironic when you lied numerous times about me here which is easily seen by anyone who can scroll this thread. I have no problem with anyone disageeeing with me.I enjoy our differences and diveesity of opinion. I just don't know why its so important to you that I give up my own thoughts and agree with yours

And I disagree being nice and polite and civil is important to me. Cuz in debate you lose when the other person loses their composure. Its an automatic deduction.

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" I don't know what you want me to do now. Wash your feet? "


No. You can kiss his ass. You can kiss everyones ass. Now do you know what to do?

What can you do Sue? Stop posting lies. Check your facts- preferably before you post an opinion. You do that for a few months people might start listening to you.

But in this case- you said it was 10,000 pages and cited it that as a reason you opposed it. If you now know that it's only 900 pages, do you now oppose it 90% less?

siny, I honestly do not believe that. I believe it's just a troll. It doesn't matter if it's politics or American History or the economy. "Sue" will always find a way to be the voice of dissent, which I guess is fine... if you were doing it with sincere intentions. "Sue" is doing it to simply waste yours and JoeKv's and Romantico's time. That is it.

Cassie that's two derogotory drag queen statements you've made in 1/2 . you have something against drag queens?

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JoeKV99 said, "President Obama has not changed one word of this law. When you vaguely say otherwise you are lying. This is just Another attempt to manufacture a reason for their irrational hate."

https://www.statereforum.org/sites/default/files/n-13-45.pdf

Under Obamacare, companies with at least 50 full-time employees are required to provide qualifying health benefits to workers or face financial penalties called "shared responsibility payments." The provision of the law aims to shore up and strengthen the system that provides health benefits to most covered Americans. Under regulatory guidance to be published next week, the Obama administration will free companies from this mandate and from rules that they report information about their health benefits to the federal government next year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/02/obamacare-employer-mandate_n_3536695.html

The Obama administration will delay a crucial provision of its signature health-care law, giving businesses an extra year to comply with a requirement that they provide their workers with insurance.

The government will postpone enforcement of the so-called employer mandate until 2015, after the congressional elections, the administration said yesterday. Under the provision, companies with 50 or more workers face a fine of as much as $3,000 per employee if they don’t offer affordable insurance.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-02/health-law-employer-mandate-said-to-be-delayed-to-2015.html

White House delays employer mandate requirement until 2015

The Obama administration will not penalize businesses that do not provide health insurance in 2014, the Treasury Department announced Tuesday.
Instead, it will delay enforcement of a major Affordable Care Act requirement that all employers with more than 50 employees provide coverage to their workers until 2015.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/02/white-house-delays-employer-mandate-requirement-until-2015/

Updated On: 9/26/13 at 07:19 PM

JoeKV99 said, "Well Sue again you are being obtuse- there was a period of more than 15 months when the bill was read, amended, discussed and debated. The base canard (french for LIE) that "They never read it" is downright goofy- they WROTE the bill."

Judy Matott asked Baucus if he would work to improve Libby’s image, and then asked him and Sebelius, “if either of you read the health care bill before it was passed and if not, that is the most despicable, irresponsible thing.”

Baucus replied that if Libby residents assembled an economic development plan, he would do what he could to help, and he took credit for “essentially” writing the health care bill that passed the Senate.

“I don’t think you want me to waste my time to read every page of the health care bill. You know why? It’s statutory language,” Baucus said. “We hire experts.”

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/max-baucus-author-of-obamacare-admits-he-never-read-his-own-bill/Content?oid=2161708

BTW, Baucus was the Democrat who referred to Obamacare as a "train wreck".

Updated On: 9/26/13 at 07:25 PM

JoeKV99 said, "2) Another Republican Talking Point is a lie: The IRS investigated political groups (on both sides- more libs than cons actually) that had applied for tax-exempt status."

IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups

IRS targeted Tea Party groups

The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for subjecting Tea Party groups seeking tax-exempt status to special scrutiny. An inspector general's report to be released this week provides a timeline of events.
WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for subjecting Tea Party groups to additional scrutiny during the 2012 election, but denied any political motive.

Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, said organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews. Her remarks, which came at an American Bar Association gathering, were first reported by the Associated Press.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/10/irs-apology-conservative-groups-2012-election/2149939/

(BTW, this week Lerner announced her retirement from the IRS.)

Updated On: 9/26/13 at 07:40 PM

JoeKV99 said, "One more try: Sue, you objected to the ACA because it was "10,000 pages long." Twice. That was your stated reason it was a BAD LAW. When I told you that was incorrect, that you had exaggerated the length by TEN TIMES, you were dismissive,"

So, because YOU say something is not true, that means it is not true? Who voted you the ultimate arbiter of truth, Joe? I linked a page from The Washington Post's Factchecker that put the bill and its multitude of rules at 9,600 pages. What is 9,600 rounded to the nearest thousand?
In addition I have been able to cite sources (NOT Fox News)that indicate that much of what you "claim" as being a lie is actually quite true. And again, I am not just coming on here and SAYING things are true, I am citing sources and quoting them.

Updated On: 9/26/13 at 07:50 PM

Hey look Smikey-storm:"




Bigfoot exists.

Updated On: 9/26/13 at 10:27 PM

Ill take the washington post and usa todays word over yours JoJo

Still waiting for you to man up and apologize for your redfaced lying about me too.

Cmon You know you should. I will accept it. I hold no grudges.

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If the IRS did nothing wrong, why did they apologize?
If the IRS did nothing wrong, why did Lois Lerner plead the fifth?
If the IRS did nothing wrong, why did Lois Lerner go an a paid leave?
If the IRS did nothing wrong, why is Lois Lerner suddenly "retiring"?